Dominic Cummings

Whitewavemark2

The bereaved deserve better than this being shelved for a year.

I'm bereaved.

I also have a friend suffering with Long Covid who is very ill.

However, I would rather wait until we're more sorted and the whole of the population is vaccinated.

I do agree that some of Cummings' evidence is true. I think we've known most of what he said already. There wasn't much new really.

However, I am still bewildered as to why Cummings appears to have turned into a white knight when posters on this very thread were ripping him to pieces last year.

So if someone you disliked intensely starts criticising someone else you dislike intensely all is forgiven?

The Cummings Effect caused massive problems. People didn't stick to lockdown because Dominic didn't. People will have died due to the Cummings Effect.

He's nothing but a poacher turned gamekeeper.

And as a person who has lost a loved one I am not impressed.

Yet Nicola Sturgeon is in charge in Scotland. Rules are different up there, even now.

The more important question right now is 'is it a coup' or...

The Welsh Government have been pressing the UK Government for several months to ensure the National Inquiry covers the other nations as well GrannyGravy13, as so much of the guidance came to the other nations from National Government it would be impossible to carry out a full investigation process for Wales in isolation.

Well, we can’t have a final enquiry until we’re sure it is final. But an interim one do you think? There must be some benefit in reviewing things and learning from them to help us to deal with the continuing pandemic.

But the pandemic is still raging across the world WW and we don’t know what might yet happen here over next winter. Fingers crossed our vaccination programme will prevent another terrible winter, in fact I think it will, but it may well be premature to start the full review now.

Apologies for duplicate / half posts I appear to have an internet problem!

Exactly Peasblossom what lies are in fact true, and what truths are actually lies?

There can be many enquiries, but it all boils down to each members version of the truth (as does any enquiry)

The bereaved deserve better than this being shelved for a year.

This was the man who arrogantly thought that the rules didn’t apply to him and lied and lied and lied about his actions. How do we know what truth and what’s lie?

Absolutely Peasbottom. He doesn’t know truth from lie and therefore neither do we. I think we’ll have to wait for the review next year and hopefully then we’ll know more.

Look at the message not the man.

Ask yourself if you recognise some truth in his evidence.

Cummings and everyone else who were the decision makers will be asked for first hand testament.

Their evidence will be used in the analysis of how this pandemic was dealt with in the U.K.

You simply cannot dismiss his evidence as irrelevant.

Exactly Peasblossom what lies are true ?

Mistakes were made. I don’t think anyone could deny that. I don’t think Boris Johnson was the right man for the job so I’m not defending him.

But apparently Dominic Cummings knew exactly what should be done, but nobody would listen to him. He was the good guy all along.

This is the man who arrogantly thought that the rules didn’t apply to him and lied and lied about his actions. How do we know what truth and what’s lie?

I know someone whose father was ill in hospital and they had been told he only had a few weeks to live. He then caught Covid before he died. The death certificate stated quite clearly what he died of which was not covid, but stated with Covid, so he became a covid statistic against his family’s wishes.

There were many others the same. From what I’ve read you can probably deduct a third of overall covid ‘deaths’ in this way. Still very high.

Urmstongran

Was that on the Isle of Skye JaneJudge? I seem to remember it.

If so, Nicola Sturgeon and her team got it wrong too, like Boris.

No I was referencing a home near to me in England. Similar scenarios played out everywhere though, you are right about that

Care Homes in all four nations of the UK had similar scenarios, as healthcare is devolved I do hope that the Health Secretaries of the other three nations will also be called to give their accounts.

The 'with' or 'due to' covid19 discussion is an interesting one and used by covid deniers amongst other groups ( not to suggest you are one Urm). I am astounded to find this morning that the revelations of yesterday's hearing are not getting nearly as much coverage as the tedious day after day after day coverage of the Bashir/Diana interview which went on all week

No, it was 10 deaths there. Just looked it up.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/20/skye-care-home-hit-10-coronavirus-deaths-keep-licence-hc-one-home-farm

Was that on the Isle of Skye JaneJudge? I seem to remember it.

If so, Nicola Sturgeon and her team got it wrong too, like Boris.

I'm pretty sure it has never been normal for 17 people in a couple of day period to die in a single care home (or similar). These scenes as they played out have been devastating for everyone concerned, families, staff. When arguing about statistics we need remember how horrific this all was.

I agree with you Peasblossom. It’s probably always going to be impossible to know the numbers exactly, but we do know that many people died prematurely.

I have no respect for Dominic Cummings or anything he has to say.

Just speaking medically, it’s actually quite hard to say whether people die of or with diseases. The disease causes an organ/organs to fail but doesn’t actually cause death of itself.

My sister recovered from Covid but died when her heart valve became infected and her heart failed. The death certificate says heart failure but it wouldn’t have happened if she hadn’t caught Covid.

On the other hand another relative in the last stages of life with pneumonia caught Covid and is counted in the statistics, even though he would have died within days of old age.

It’s going to be difficult to get anything very accurate from the statistics, I think, except that a large number of people died prematurely.

There were over 695.8 thousand deaths in the United Kingdom in 2020, compared with 604 thousand in 2019.

So by my calculation we had 90 thousand excess deaths.

www.statista.com/statistics/281488/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

Urmstongran

So would you not say we had 127,000 Covid deaths then WW?

So official data says in U.K.

4.47 million cases of covid

128k deaths

If you wish to disagree feel free to do so.

I’m inclined to go with the official data myself?

So would you not say we had 127,000 Covid deaths then WW?