Dominic Cummings

Exactly Whitewave- and one thing that is absolutely true, is that elderly residents of Care Homes, were sent back to said homes from hospital, without any testing, and without staff being provided with adequate PPE. Sent back therefore to pass Covid on to others, residents and staff.

Will anyone here deny this?

Urmstongran

I think I’d just like to know n the fullness of time how many people died with Covid rather than from it.

If you think about it, that is a relatively easy thing to roughly find out.

We know the average death rate for any given year, and we know how many deaths in the year since say April 2020.

I think I’d just like to know n the fullness of time how many people died with Covid rather than from it.

One of the most damning pieces of evidence, which we know absolutely to be true, is the way the care section was treated.

I can definitely remember the news that hospitals were being cleared to make room for the covid patients. I can definitely remember that care homes were asked to take in the patients.

What the carers and other residents were perfectly entitled to expect was that they were protected from contracted covid which would almost certainly kill the elderly and the carers extremely ill if not death.

The evidence we were presented with is that neither the hospital patients were tested for covid, nor advise and PPE made available to the carers.

“We must hang together or surely we shall hang separately.’

25Avalon

Et tu Brute!

The review may be best left to next year, and review there should be, but we are not yet out of this pandemic and there may be more to review over the next 6 months. I can’t see Johnson going even then unless we end up with Gove .............. and Cummings. It is always easy to be wise after an event. I seem to remember either Vallence or Whitty advocating herd immunity and then it was suddenly all turn about. Can we really blame everything on one man, Johnson?

Johnson, Hancock, Williamson, Sunak....

Vickysponge

Shropshirelass

I think he is a snake and what I saw of it was a man scorned, he even lied about his trip in lockdown. He was part of the decision making. It was unchartered waters, no one knew exactly how to handle it whilst protecting the economy. I wish he would crawl back to where he came from. There will be a review next year and we can learn lessons from that. I will not listen to a bitter and twisted ex employee.

Completely agree.

You won’t listen to what he says even with evidence ?

I don’t think anyone would disagree that DC is a rather unsavoury character, but it doesn’t mean his criticisms aren’t valid, especially given the evidence,.

Shropshirelass

I think he is a snake and what I saw of it was a man scorned, he even lied about his trip in lockdown. He was part of the decision making. It was unchartered waters, no one knew exactly how to handle it whilst protecting the economy. I wish he would crawl back to where he came from. There will be a review next year and we can learn lessons from that. I will not listen to a bitter and twisted ex employee.

All that is irrelevant. We need and inquiry and we need it now.

Et tu Brute!

The review may be best left to next year, and review there should be, but we are not yet out of this pandemic and there may be more to review over the next 6 months. I can’t see Johnson going even then unless we end up with Gove .............. and Cummings. It is always easy to be wise after an event. I seem to remember either Vallence or Whitty advocating herd immunity and then it was suddenly all turn about. Can we really blame everything on one man, Johnson?

Cummings is a rat no doubt about it, BJ will not be having any “special advisors” any time soon, however, many less lives would have been lost if a tighter isolation and lockdown had been used. As for Cummings “getting Brexit done” that’s rubbish, the EU we’re running the show from day one, they got exactly what they wanted, the UK backed down on all the red lines.

He was a distraction that was not needed, since he was sacked the government started to make sensible decisions and I do give them credit for that

Vickysponge

Shropshirelass

I think he is a snake and what I saw of it was a man scorned, he even lied about his trip in lockdown. He was part of the decision making. It was unchartered waters, no one knew exactly how to handle it whilst protecting the economy. I wish he would crawl back to where he came from. There will be a review next year and we can learn lessons from that. I will not listen to a bitter and twisted ex employee.

Completely agree.

Both muddling the message - which must be scrutinised with care - with the messenger, which we can all agree is not the best form of human being we may come across.

The poor people released from hospital into care homes without being tested and the subsequent deaths. Treated with total disregard and left to die. This is shameful and I hope the government is held responsible for these unnecessary deaths.

Shropshirelass

I think he is a snake and what I saw of it was a man scorned, he even lied about his trip in lockdown. He was part of the decision making. It was unchartered waters, no one knew exactly how to handle it whilst protecting the economy. I wish he would crawl back to where he came from. There will be a review next year and we can learn lessons from that. I will not listen to a bitter and twisted ex employee.

Completely agree.

Next year........way too late.

I think he is a snake and what I saw of it was a man scorned, he even lied about his trip in lockdown. He was part of the decision making. It was unchartered waters, no one knew exactly how to handle it whilst protecting the economy. I wish he would crawl back to where he came from. There will be a review next year and we can learn lessons from that. I will not listen to a bitter and twisted ex employee.

Regardless of it being Cummings giving evidence yesterday we, ourselves, know people were sent untested into Care Homes. We, ourselves, know that Johnson did not attend the urgent meetings of Cobra. We, ourselves, know the attitude of Johnson towards the virus. We, ourselves, know that they did not lock down early enough. All this was known before yesterday and it needs complete clarification.

Now IS the right time; Johnson cannot keep denying us. The public wants answers. Norway and Sweden have already begun theirs. Neena Modi, professor of neonatal medicine, and a panellist on The informal People’s Covid Inquiry, “If ever there was a time to ask questions, it has got to be now.” This has to be about more than blame. We have to understand the reorganisation required of Public Health, the NHS and of Care.

“ One unapologetic liar calls out another unapologetic liar for lying. Has our politics been brought so low? What have these psychopaths reduced our country to?”

Exactly.

Who first came up with the facile “hindsight”excuse ?

Cummings is a self serving scumbag, so whatever he says will be water off a duck’s back. 30% of the electorate vote for the Tories, 30% don’t bother to vote and 40% vote for other parties, so our voting system means we are condemned to this bunch of incompetents for what seems to be evermore.

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I think that reflecting on Cummings and yesterday’s events we need to sort of understand stuff that he didn’t say, as much as what he did say.

So Sunak, who came in for much praise was not criticised for the muddle over the furlough scheme, nor was he criticised for undoubtedly being responsible for a spike in the virus as a result of the ridiculous “eat out to help out” scheme. At the very least this was very poor judgement and at worse responsible for many deaths.

Other ministers were ignored, but on the other hand this was about covid so you would expect the Health minister and the Prime Minister to be the ones under scrutiny.

I think this was pure theatre and one in which the star player did everything he could to get his message across of pure revenge.

But, and this is a big but, so much of what he said, so many of us recognise as confirmation of what we suspected. We must proceed with caution. Confirmation is needed from various other sources.

If indeed it is true then the government is not fit to lead us another day, let alone another 3 years.

Urmstongran

Cummings ‘evidence’ in a nutshell:
if he’d been in charge, covid would not have become a crisis.

Apparently.

No wrong

What Cummings actually said was that Johnson is unfit to be PM

Hancock should have been sacked for a many reasons and constantly lied.

It was crazy the he -Cummings was in such a senior position, he was not “smart” enough.

I think that Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty have got a lot to answer to as well, because they were happy to stand next to Johnson and back him up.Only once or twice do I remember them picking him up on something he had said at the briefings. I’m trying to remember when they were and what they were about.

I am no fan of Dominic Cummings but felt that when he was questioned about giving advice to Boris Johnson the implication was that it was his fault that his advice wasn’t taken. Indeed Cummings actually apologised on more than one occasion of not being forceful enough, or that’s how I understood it. Now we can all give advice but whether the person we’re advising takes any notice is down to them. Being Prime Minister is not just a nominal position it needs someone who can listen to expert advice and consider whether they should act upon it. It would appear that Boris Johnson was not prepared to take advice not only from Dominic Cummings but also from members of SAGE including Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty. It would be very interesting to hear what the two of them have got to say about it. Most of what we are being told we know already and it is true. BJ was on holiday in February when he should have been at No 10, he locked down far too late not only once but twice and if Matt Hancock had been employed anywhere else he would have been sacked seeing the hash he has made of his post. Hearing it all makes you realise what a ragbag of incompetent idiots we have governing this country. As for the vaccine let us remember it was invented by scientists not Boris Johnson and thank goodness he wasn’t in charge of the vaccine programme.

Callistemon

^My Chinese student regularly communicated with her relatives still in China and she didn't know anything about that. (And, yes, she is ware how the Chinese government treat dissidents.)^
One student.

Some of us heard different stories from very reliable sources who have families in Wuhan.

Their lockdown did work, however.

No, not just one student but I'm not going to list them.

In any case, this is about the UK and what's happened here.