Dominic Cummings

lemongrove

Exactly Callistemon a spin doctor with major grudges.

He wasn't a spin doctor.

Always happens if people dont live in this country. I am not sure people understand the global nature of the internet.

Callistemon

^That doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth^.

Equally the converse.

Unfortunately, if someone is economical with the truth and is found out, people have a tendency to be suspicious of further claims they make.
I'm not saying he is lying but perhaps is putting a spin on everything, professing sorrow for a little of his part in all this but throwing whoever he holds a grudge against to the wolves.
I am highly suspicious of him and his motives.

After all, that is the colloquial term for his former job - Spin Doctor.

I'd be amazed if he didn't put a spin on it all, but that still doesn't mean that he's lying about everything. Some of it can be proved and the evidence has been before all our eyes.

lemongrove

Although growstuff you wouldn’t have believed him last year.Funny that.

That's not true. If he'd said grass is green, I would have believed him.

All countries Kali including the one that you live in (France?)
I thought Kali2 lives in Yorkshire

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I'd like to hear someone else's views on this ie an unbiased No 10 adviser or scientific adviser to obtain more balance.

lemongrove

Many experts had various and differing views on what should be done.That had to be balanced by thinking about the effects on the economy and on people’s jobs and lives.
All countries Kali including the one that you live in (France?)
Had to do the same heart searching and none of them did it perfectly and lots of people died.

What is significant about where any of us are situated.

That was a very odd comment pointed at kali

Whataboutery is not a valuable comment, nor needed.

Not one MP asked the question about how other countries managed covid because

it isn’t relevant

We had the deadly Hong Kong 'flu----no lockdown and between 1+4million deaths worldwide. No masks no lost businesses and it was one of the deadliest strains of the 1968 pandemic. In excess of 30,000 deaths here.
Harold Wilson was in power, no bulletins that I recall

When I was in France in 2004 there were nearly 15,000 deaths due to the heatwave between the 1st and the 30th of August that year. Mortuaries overflowed and bodies were on the street.

Exactly Callistemon a spin doctor with major grudges.

Although growstuff you wouldn’t have believed him last year.Funny that.

That doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth.

Equally the converse.

Unfortunately, if someone is economical with the truth and is found out, people have a tendency to be suspicious of further claims they make.
I'm not saying he is lying but perhaps is putting a spin on everything, professing sorrow for a little of his part in all this but throwing whoever he holds a grudge against to the wolves.
I am highly suspicious of him and his motives.

After all, that is the colloquial term for his former job - Spin Doctor.

Many experts had various and differing views on what should be done.That had to be balanced by thinking about the effects on the economy and on people’s jobs and lives.
All countries Kali including the one that you live in (France?)
Had to do the same heart searching and none of them did it perfectly and lots of people died.

Dominic Cummings is odious, but if he were to claim that grass is green, I would tend to believe him.

There was systematic failure in Johnson’s government, there can be no excuses.

Resulting in the early deaths of so many people.

I thought the UK was supposed to be better than other countries.

lemongrove

Anybody could give a sensible clear eyed description of what went wrong after the event....which is all that Cummings is doing now.

Honestly. please stop making excuses for them. Very stron warnings were given by experts in 2019, about the fact the Government was totally unprepared, in multiple ways, and had to stock PPE in time. Warnings have been given for a decade or so too.

Or even better Mollygo - it’s all a hoax, a plot by Bill Gates ?

Gannygangan, any argument which doesn’t conform to the views presented by more forceful posters will be seen as fallacious.

Thank you, Mollygo

Very true!

Great post Mollygo ??

Gannygangan, any argument which doesn’t conform to the views presented by more forceful posters will be seen as fallacious.
We all know that the LP would have done it better, don’t we?
The fact that I didn’t vote for BJ and we may not think he made a good job of some parts of the pandemic is immaterial because of the implication that others, with no more experience, would have done better.
After sorting out the government’s wrongdoings, I’d also like to see an investigation into the behaviour of some of
the GBP, who have throughout the pandemic, contributed to the rapidity of virus spread and the confusion over which rules and guidelines they choose to follow or not. I’ve read statements like:
“I make my own decisions”,
“I don’t see why I shouldn’t go out as often as I want”
“I don’t have to wear a mask, because they don’t help”
“He didn’t do it so I don’t see why I must”
“I have a holiday home so I won’t be mixing so I should be allowed to travel”
“The schools should be open. It’s ridiculous to keep them closed.”
“The schools should be closed because the variant is spreading. It’s ridiculous keeping them open.”
Etc

Callistemon

I think Cummings will always put Cummings first and would sell himself to the highest bidder (or whoever he thinks will be in power next).

That doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth.

We need an enquiry and we need it now.

It would have been easier all round if Cummings had stuck to Durham.

We have have Bernard Castle and now we have Barbara Castle
?

I don’t think they’re listening Ganny

Every country should have an inquiry about what they can do better next time, and the better countries will do.
How often in Europe have we had a pandemic? Answer, not for 100 years, and the Spanish flu. Consider the population in this small country.Did the government get everything right and at exactly the right time? Answer, no of course not and neither did other governments.The inquiry is to sharpen up decisions and responses for next time round, not to indulge in politician ‘bashing’ from the comfort of the armchair.

PippaZ

tickingbird

Apart from anything he’s saying the sheer venom and determination to bring down Boris and Hancock is breathtaking. I’m not siding with anyone but what a monumental error of judgement BJ made when he kicked him out, especially if it was down to Carrie. He should have eased him out gradually because “revenge is a dish best served cold” has never been so apt.

Where did he come over a venomous? He seemed pretty calm and collected to me.

Just attacking him personally won't help. We all know his failings. We need Johnson to move his backside and give us an inquiry. Nothing else will get to the truth or give us something to build on.

Johnson should have sacked Cummings after Barbara Castle, or been clear if as Cummings now claims, he left London for security reasons.
When Cummings was given the press conference in the garden, rather than his P45, many suggested the only reason he wasn’t sacked was because he knew where the bodies were buried.

Sighs.

You're still doing it! You repeat fallacious argument after fallacious argument. It seems to be all you can come up with. I'm interested in our massive death rates and the lies about protecting our care homes. You seem to be putting your Johnson faith ahead of our country and our people.

How many times?

I do not have any faith in Boris Johnson. Never have. Never will do. I did not vote for him. \

You might think my arguments are fallacious. I don't.