Dominic Cummings

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Gannygangan

PippaZ

Gannygangan

How can you be uninterested in how other countries have coped, WW2?

Oh do stop the deflection. This is about us and our government.

Deflection?

Don't you like to be reminded that numerous countries saw massive death rates in nursing/ care homes?

Obviously not.

Ridiculous statement

Hilarious!

Smileless2012

No surprises really, the words of a man out for revenge for losing his job who TBH is hardly in a position to criticise the handling of the pandemic, when he deliberately broke the rules that were in place himself.

Yes, I agree. Revenge. I didn’t believe what he said when he broke the rules, so how can I believe him now?

Gannygangan

PippaZ

Gannygangan

How can you be uninterested in how other countries have coped, WW2?

Oh do stop the deflection. This is about us and our government.

Deflection?

Don't you like to be reminded that numerous countries saw massive death rates in nursing/ care homes?

Obviously not.

Ridiculous statement

Apart from anything he’s saying the sheer venom and determination to bring down Boris and Hancock is breathtaking. I’m not siding with anyone but what a monumental error of judgement BJ made when he kicked him out, especially if it was down to Carrie. He should have eased him out gradually because “revenge is a dish best served cold” has never been so apt.

I was glad to hear Cummings apologise for the "Barnard Castle debacle" and many other mistakes he had made as Johnson's SPAD>

I am still awaiting an apology for all the criminality and deception he employed as the mastermind behind Vote Leave.

The damage done to this country by brexit will in the long term be seen as many times worse than the mistakes he made in Downing Street.

PippaZ

Gannygangan

How can you be uninterested in how other countries have coped, WW2?

Oh do stop the deflection. This is about us and our government.

Deflection?

Don't you like to be reminded that numerous countries saw massive death rates in nursing/ care homes?

Obviously not.

Gannygangan

How can you be uninterested in how other countries have coped, WW2?

Oh do stop the deflection. This is about us and our government.

lemongrove

Anybody could give a sensible clear eyed description of what went wrong after the event....which is all that Cummings is doing now.

Doh!

Anybody could give a sensible clear eyed description of what went wrong after the event....which is all that Cummings is doing now.

DillytheGardener

lemongrove I respectfully disagree. I voted for them and I am extremely interested in what he (Cummings) had to say. I don’t like Johnson nor Cummings, but I think Cummings gave a very sensible clear eyed description of what went wrong, I think the public could see what was happening internally and Cummings is just confirming it.

DillytheGardener If there was a "like" you would have got one. Very sane and sensible.

The man has got stamina - that's one thing I've learned. Seven and a half hours under that sort of scrutiny.

That was for ww FarNorth ( who was so busy not being sidetracked by whataboutery) that she typed Bernard.
Bernard Castle does sound like an old style comedian though.
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lemongrove

Who Bernard??

Gannygangan

How can you be uninterested in how other countries have coped, WW2?

In the context of this issue.

I am very interested outside of this issue. I won’t get sidetracked by whataboutery, that’s all.

It would have been very useful FarNorth and he could have brought about changes at the time ( presuming he wasn’t lying.)

Who Bernard??

If he had come out at the time and said all the ‘he said this’ and ‘he thought that’ stuff then the general public may have lapped it up, but as it is.....

How useful would that have been, at the time? Not very.
It could very likely have precipitated a 'Barnard Castle' effect even sooner.

Some posters on here may be fascinated with the minutiae of politics, but most just aren’t, unless it involves a sex scandal or loads of public money being mis-used.

Loads of public money was misused.

How can you be uninterested in how other countries have coped, WW2?

lemongrove

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A scientist has just said on the news that it doesn’t matter whether the public are interested or not, the point to learn from this evidence gathering is that serious mistakes were/are being made and tens of thousands of lives were needlessly lost.

Not least the care home disgraceful scandal. The fact that the U.K’s PM can make decisions entirely against all advise.

This must never be allowed to happen again.

....and I agree with the scientist saying that.What we cannot know is how much to believe from Cummings.
You all do realise that many countries may not have done the right things at the right time either? Their governments, like ours, struggled for a very long time and some are struggling still.

I am entirely at this point uninterested in how other countries have handled the pandemic. I am however very interested in the elected government of my country and how it has performed. The evidence today, chimes with much that we heard and read and argued over, since January 2020, which in turns lends me to believe there is truth in what Cummings was saying.

Bernard Castle gets more bizarre with each telling though.

The care home deaths were indeed awful. But it wasn't just the UK who had massive death tolls.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

This article, more than a year old shows evidence of a world wide tragedy

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/16/across-the-world-figures-reveal-horrific-covid-19-toll-of-care-home-deaths

GrannyGravy13

I have just browsed Twitter and frankly it’s hysterically hilarious, all those who this time last year were wholeheartedly trashing DC as a liar and incompetent are now hanging on his every word as gospel...

It will be interesting to see the PM’s and Conservative Parties position in the polls next week though.

Oh, dear. Some people are getting a little hysterical and certainly straying away from any sort of logical argument.

How about just waiting to see what comes of this. Just because Cummings is Cummings doesn't stop Johnson from being Johnson, does it? He (Cummings) is saying much that we know so what is the problem?

I wouldn't be surprised if the polls do go up. We have seen several times in recent years where the vote of those who lack knowledge, even actually rejected knowledge, goes.

I hope we mark time and listen to what comes out, until we can have a swift and in-depth inquiry, preferably rather sooner than Johnson plans. The sadness is that those who cannot bear to think of any wrong where Johnson is concerned may not want to know 'what happened', 'why did it happen', 'who is to blame' and 'how can we preventing this happening again', but many, many will.

Whitewavemark2

A scientist has just said on the news that it doesn’t matter whether the public are interested or not, the point to learn from this evidence gathering is that serious mistakes were/are being made and tens of thousands of lives were needlessly lost.

Not least the care home disgraceful scandal. The fact that the U.K’s PM can make decisions entirely against all advise.

This must never be allowed to happen again.

....and I agree with the scientist saying that.What we cannot know is how much to believe from Cummings.
You all do realise that many countries may not have done the right things at the right time either? Their governments, like ours, struggled for a very long time and some are struggling still.

Today’s scandal? We’re talking about 120,000 dead people here lemon grove. Are they next weeks chip paper? Pretty low comment imo.

A scientist has just said on the news that it doesn’t matter whether the public are interested or not, the point to learn from this evidence gathering is that serious mistakes were/are being made and tens of thousands of lives were needlessly lost.

Not least the care home disgraceful scandal. The fact that the U.K’s PM can make decisions entirely against all advise.

This must never be allowed to happen again.

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Led By Donkeys

Told you

"Lions led by donkeys over and over again"

Dominic Cummings says it was "completely crazy" he was in such a senior role, "just the same as it's crackers that Boris Johnson was in there and that the choice at the last general election was Jeremy Corbyn"

That comment that it was completely crazy is such a weird comment. Of course, it was crazy and loads of people were saying so, so why was he appointed and kept on? The Barnard Castle fiasco was the perfect opportunity to sack him.

He used the same reasoning when he was talking about the referendum (after the event). I can't remember his exact words, but it was something like not believing that Vote Leave would win because they didn't have a solid argument. In other words, he thought it was crazy, but he's such a clever chap (in his opinion) he managed to dupe people into voting.

Has anybody ever read his blog? It's hard work because he rambles, but he clearly has some "out of the box" ideas. He doesn't claim to be right, but thinks he has the ability to persuade people - it all seems to be about the game to him.

FWIW I don't think he's lying now.

Cummings is a strange chap, thought to be brilliant, ( and perhaps is) but just not as brilliant as he thinks he is.
Yes NanKate if he was so unhappy with the the way things were he could have left at any time .....instead of stirring up so much division and dislike that he had to be sacked.
If he had come out at the time and said all the ‘he said this’ and ‘he thought that’ stuff then the general public may have lapped it up, but as it is.....
Vaccinations are going on apace, the sun is now shining and things are looking up.
Things can always be done better ( with that old friend hindsight) and that’s what inquiries may show, and lessons learned for the next pandemic.I expect most countries in the world will be doing the same thing.
Some posters on here may be fascinated with the minutiae of politics, but most just aren’t, unless it involves a sex scandal or loads of public money being mis-used.As we all know from long lives, today’s scandals or revelations are next week’s chip paper.