Anti-vaxx nurse struck off

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Grandmabatty well said. There is so much misleading info out there. The FullFact.org is a good site. They explain that most of the number of “deaths from vaccination” are actually deaths from an underlying cause that would have happened regardless of being vaccinated or not. It helps to read the facts to reduce the worries and concerns that people naturally have.

Thalidomide was not a vaccine but an early anti sickness medicine. I wish those people who are refusing to be vaccinated would read up on facts and not accept the word of someone on Facebook etc.

The mistake she has made is by voicing that opinion, as she is not paid to influence patients with their decision making regarding vaccination
In uniform thereby adding weight and the veneer of an official, professional medical opinion to her own misguided beliefs. This is obvious.
If I as a train passenger tell somebody that I think their train leaves from platform B I may be right or wrong and might accidentally be misleading them, but if I am part of the Station staff it is my job to give accurate information.
Even more so in a life and death situation like a pandemic.

A lovely girl works in a Care Home. She contracted Covid in January. She’s now eligible for vaccination but has declined to have it. Obviously it’s her decision but I asked why not? She said she was fearful about what would happen if she became pregnant. Especially as she has heard bout Thalidomide. All care home residents have been fully vaccinated.

sparkynan .., Of course we remember david ike. He and Piers Corbyn and Kate Shemirani are heading the demonstrations and calling it a hoax. read below.

www.thejc.com/news/uk/revealed-anti-vaxx-nurse-at-centre-of-covid-hate-demos-1.506354

I am a committed anti vaxer..........

Give me a dyson any day ???
I’m so sorry ,just couldn’t resist

Everyone is entitled to an opinion or belief. There have been over 1200 deaths associated with the vaccines here in the UK. If this nurse is in a low risk group ie young with no co morbidities then she is perfectly entitled to refuse the vaccine. The mistake she has made is by voicing that opinion, as she is not paid to influence patients with their decision making regarding vaccination.

theworriedwell.

I have been working in the NHS 42 years 24 of those years in senior positions . Not all nurses who are uni so-called trained are thick but a significant number of them have no bedside manner are unable to communicate effectively with patients and frankly are too far up themselves to be interested in what’s going on around them. There used to be SRNs SENs Auxiliary nurses. The SRNs were the work planners and helped run the wards the SENs were the assistants to the SRNs, the SENs and Auxiliaries were the ones who actually did the more “ hands on are” the SRNs were mainly admin duties / drug rounds / liaison with families / families and consultants. A lot of Uni nurses think they are matrons.

It’s not just an opinion, Galaxy, she’s spreading dangerous and harmful mis-information.

As a nurse she should know better, and I’m glad that she won’t be able to spread this rubbish to vulnerable people who are more likely to believe it.

People are sacked all the time for expressing their opinions. There's nothing controversial about it. When my DH worked for Tesco, for example, if he had started telling the customers "This stuff is rubbish and it will probably poison you. Don't buy it," he would have been out of the door before he could blink. It's completely different to me expressing that opinion as a customer.

Obviously the potential harm is greatly increased when medical matters are concerned.

Most professions have a standard of professional conduct that must must be adhered to.

As a teacher, I like all other teachers, in Denmark at least, signed a contract that contained a confidentialitly clause.

That clause stated that I could be suspended pending an inquiry if I had divulged confidential matters relating to a pupil or that pupil's home.

As a private person we may all express opinions as long as they are neither illegal to express nor slanderous, but in our professional lives there are matters we may not divulge without penalties.

This applies very forcibly to doctors, nurses and midwives, and there is a distinction to be made here:

This woman was advising patients not to be vaccinated, not merely stating that she herself would not be vaccinated and spreading untrue and potentially dangerous opinions.

Of COURSE she needed to have her clinical registration ended (she wasn’t “sacked”).

Midwifebi6

I’m afraid there are nurses /medics /Drs who are an insult to the job just like there are in all professions and jobs. The biggest deterioration in my opinion of nurse training and applicants who wanted to be a nurse was when the in-house nurse training was replaced by universities doing the so called training.
I have worked with nurses midwifes and drs who are as thick as two planks.
There is no other word for it. They know how to duck and dive bluff and fluff their way along......until something does not go as expected then they are totally lost. I can tell an in-house trained nurse from a uni nurse in minutes. Give me in-house trained nurses and HCAs anytime.

" I can tell an in-house trained nurse from a uni nurse in minutes'

Oh I bet you can't!

Midwifebi6

I’m afraid there are nurses /medics /Drs who are an insult to the job just like there are in all professions and jobs. The biggest deterioration in my opinion of nurse training and applicants who wanted to be a nurse was when the in-house nurse training was replaced by universities doing the so called training.
I have worked with nurses midwifes and drs who are as thick as two planks.
There is no other word for it. They know how to duck and dive bluff and fluff their way along......until something does not go as expected then they are totally lost. I can tell an in-house trained nurse from a uni nurse in minutes. Give me in-house trained nurses and HCAs anytime.

Do you realise the "so called" university training is done in conjunction with the hospitals? All the students spend half the year on the wards or working with nurses in the community.

Anyone would think the old style training didn't involve a day in a classroom.

I don't judge people by where they were trained, how narrow minded. I know some brilliant young nurses and definitely knew some of the ones trained in the old system who were thick and not at all sympathetic as well as some who were great.

I think some older nurses are jealous and a bit bitter about the younger nurses who often do a job closer to a junior doctor rather than the "handmaiden to doctors" that used to be the case.

Do you guys remember David Icke? he has had some seriously weird views over the years, but still peope believe him. He has theories on Covid. www.thesun.co.uk/news/11362611/david-icke-youtube-facebook-conspiracy/
I personally don't not believe any of these people, as I have seen the effects of Covid in my job, and I feel they do a lot of harm. I have also met a couple of antivaxers, who have tried to browbeat me into following their views. I follow our code of conduct, and politely say goodbye and leave.
I do wish the government and the WHO would be more honest and upfront, that would help.

I’m afraid there are nurses /medics /Drs who are an insult to the job just like there are in all professions and jobs. The biggest deterioration in my opinion of nurse training and applicants who wanted to be a nurse was when the in-house nurse training was replaced by universities doing the so called training.
I have worked with nurses midwifes and drs who are as thick as two planks.
There is no other word for it. They know how to duck and dive bluff and fluff their way along......until something does not go as expected then they are totally lost. I can tell an in-house trained nurse from a uni nurse in minutes. Give me in-house trained nurses and HCAs anytime.

I have no problems with people that decide not to have the vaccine (even though I doubt the logic behind that decision) but I do have problems with them spouting off about comparing the vaccine to the death camps in Germany. She abused her position and therefore totally correct she should be struck off. Whilst I am fully aware (as an ex civil servant) that governments do tell lies, but I can't believe that governments around the world would agree to tell the same lie of how bad Covid can be. Look at poor Kate Garraway's husband.

Pepine Spot on.

The best explanation I have come across for people believing daft conspiracy theories is that is makes stupid people feel clever. If ever I find a conversation edging into conspiracy territory I pipe up with this explanation and it stops.

Sounds like mental health issues so she shouldn’t be practicing anyway.

Being struck off seems the right thing to do. Sounds like she is at odds with what being a nurse means. No doubt she will become a heroine for the anti-vaxxers.

Lucca

I get annoyed with “I’m waiting to see” attitude. What about acting for the common good ?

I think most people are acting for the common good, tbh.
In Moss Side today they were vaccinating anyone who turned up. They had run out of supplies after 45 min. Throughout Manchester, several postcodes, all the same. Areas of past high cases have been targeted.
It was good to see and hear.

The other night (Tuesday? Wednesday?) there was a very disturbing programme on Channel 4 which I was reluctant to watch but ended up doing so. It was about anti-vaxers and Covid conspiracy theorists in the US. The kingpin of the whole shebang is the discredited Dr Andrew Wakefield whose scare stories about the triple vaccine resulted in many children in our country and the US suffering unnecessarily from measles and eventually caused him to be struck off in UK. Despite this he has found a happy hunting ground in America where outlandish ideas and remedies find unthinking acceptance by the all-too-credulous - witness Trump's (almost) espousal of the consumption of bleach to cure Covid! The whole programme made me want to throw something hard at the TV screen! It's probably available on catch-up.

I get annoyed with “I’m waiting to see” attitude. What about acting for the common good ?