Where will more and more vaccines lead to?

A vaccine only does what your body would do if you caught the relevant disease and I would rather have an innoculation to get immunity than risk suffering from COVID, cholera, yellow fever, mumps, measles whooping cough, diptheria and all the other diseases we are innocuated agaist just to get immunity..

I wonder if those delivering vaccines (doing the jabbing/jagging) increase worries sometimes? They often seem a bit apologetic and warn you of a slight prick. I particularly noticed this when I had to have Anti-D jabs after my kids were born, which amused me considering the indignities of childbirth. The prospect of a wee jab in the bum only provoked a "Shove it in!" response in me whereas the nurses seemed to expect me to mind that it had to be done.

M0nica

Children have been receiving more and more vaccines for decades doesn't seem to have done them any harm.

As an army brat I had all the the vaccinations and innoculations Geekesse mentioned, probably for much the same reasons. Like her I have had no side effects.

I'm another military brat who spent her childhood travelling (and has continued travelling throughout her life until about 10 years ago) so have been well and truly inoculated ?. I was once quite sick after having either typhus or yellow fever vaccine but other than that I've pretty much always been healthy. Until I got the Covid vaccine I don't think I've seen a doctor since my last vaccinations over 10 years ago.

Is that perhaps one of the reasons so many are worried about the vaccine? It never occurred to me before that not everyone has had needles stuck up and down their arms and in their bum all their life, and to some it might be quite scary.

MerylStreep

Why do people look for things to worry about?
It’s beyond me ?

That's an interesting take Meryl.

I've always considered myself an analytical thinker who likes to research, weigh up situations, consider the pros and cons and try to understand things as best I can rather than blunder into things with a steady static buzz between my ears. But now you mention it perhaps I just cast around looking for things to worry about. I'll have a good think about that.

geekesse

As someone who used to travel a lot when young, I had a lot of inoculations. Apart from all the usual childhood and teenage ones and smallpox, For 15 years I had cholera twice a year, typhoid, paratyphoid and tetanus annually, yellow fever periodically and malaria pills. I have had a flu vaccination every year for several years and now both Covid ones. My immune system is fine, and the only things wrong with my body are normal ageing processes. I’d rather have a thousand injections than a single life threatening disease.

yes me too. Trials of having flu vaccine and covid vaccine together have been going on since before march. The trials were opened up to public volunteers in march and before that researcher and lab worker volunteers were involved.

I still think they will find more therapeutics that will work. And at least, given that there had been a threat of a pandemic for a long time that was ignored, the world will hopefully be prepared for another one. We’ve been very lucky in that, awful as this has been, it has not been as dangerous as eg Ebola. I often wonder where we would be now though if all those years and years of research on coronavirus vaccines hadn’t’ve taken place. Or if the funding had been pulled.

Why do people look for things to worry about?
It’s beyond me ?

The short answer is surely -
Fewer and fewer deaths from avoidable illnesses both in the Third World and for us.
Second part to the answer is -
Ultimately the elimination of killer diseases - smallpox, polio, diphtheria, tetanus - it’s not all about Covid.

DH was part of the original Astra Zenica trials and has just become part of a new set of AstraZeneca trials. He had his third COVID vaccination yesterday and he is feeling a bit spaced out today, but will recover and is due a 4th jab in a couple of weeks.

We are not worried and as he had an 8 week stay in hospital during the second wave (heart attack and hospital acquired infection), I am very glad he got the vaccine and not the placebo, in last year's blind trials.

And, no his heart attack was unrelated to the vaccine, it was 4 months after the jab and he had been a walking victim waiting for the heart attack to strike for years.

When we were children we all had the polio vacine,T.B. which we all dreaded and now they are almost eradicated.
Our children had the MMR., though there has been an upsurge of measles with people not taking the chance and letting their children have it.
Scientists are working full out to see what new vaccines against Covid 19 they can produce and in what combination to inject them.
If I have to have a booster in Autumn then I will have it and the Flu vaccine which we all managed to get before lockdown.
My wider family and friends has Dr's, radiologists. physiotherapists and other front line carers,I want the vaccine for myself but to keep them safe as well. What if we need their help and what about what they might be taking home to their families. We have to protect everyone and get the vac.

geekesse

As someone who used to travel a lot when young, I had a lot of inoculations. Apart from all the usual childhood and teenage ones and smallpox, For 15 years I had cholera twice a year, typhoid, paratyphoid and tetanus annually, yellow fever periodically and malaria pills. I have had a flu vaccination every year for several years and now both Covid ones. My immune system is fine, and the only things wrong with my body are normal ageing processes. I’d rather have a thousand injections than a single life threatening disease.

Agree absolutely.

And plus all the ones I had as a child.

It’s probably why I’m so healthy. I’m pickled in vaccine. Nothing can get a grip?

Likegeekesse when I started travelling the world I had all the vaccinations available. All the ones she’s had plus rabies, hepatitis and probably a few others I can’t remember. And any preventative pills like the malaria ones.

My immune system is just fine and so is my health. Pretty chipper in fact?

So far "more and more vaccines" has meant that people don't get ill so often, don't die young so often, and generally live longer. Looks good to me.

I don't know the answer to your question Chestnut, but it could be just that we don't need a new one, the original one works fine? Or that it hasn't been approved yet? Or that maybe we might get the "other " one? e.g. I had AZ but wouldn't be averse to having Pfizer in a booster.

I think we're going to have to wait until nearer the Autumn to see what the best way forward is, even whether we need a booster at all.

At first they told us the Oxford scientists have been working on tweaking the original vaccine, and the Autumn booster jab would be an improved vaccine which could protect from the new variants. Now they're saying we may be getting the same original vaccine again in the Autumn. But if there is an improved version then why not use that?

We’ve lived abroad for years and had vaccinations without number. I don’t think we’ve suffered any undue effects from them and let’s remember, until this last year, life expectancy in the the UK has grown immensely since our grandparents’ time.

Children have been receiving more and more vaccines for decades doesn't seem to have done them any harm.

As an army brat I had all the the vaccinations and innoculations Geekesse mentioned, probably for much the same reasons. Like her I have had no side effects.

That's re-assuring geekesse. I have this awful worry that the more we have, the more likley we will be to harm our bodies.

As someone who used to travel a lot when young, I had a lot of inoculations. Apart from all the usual childhood and teenage ones and smallpox, For 15 years I had cholera twice a year, typhoid, paratyphoid and tetanus annually, yellow fever periodically and malaria pills. I have had a flu vaccination every year for several years and now both Covid ones. My immune system is fine, and the only things wrong with my body are normal ageing processes. I’d rather have a thousand injections than a single life threatening disease.

The U.K. had the same amount of cases yesterday as in January.

January deaths over 1,000
Yesterday approximately 20

The link between cases, hospitalisation and deaths seems to be disconnected all thanks to the vaccines.

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The Queen is hardly "isolated". Good for her.

The picture with the jockey is the Queen at Ascot, a few days ago.

She has more sense like some of us.

I'm beginning to wonder how many lies we've been told.
I totally see the point in "hands, face, space" but when so many people are being allowed to ignore it - well it makes me wonder where the truth lies.
G7 was an eye opener, and sports fans' behaviour has me baffled, yet the Queen stays isolated along with the rest of us.

Many Scottish football supporters have tested positive after the match last week. The good thing is that despite so many more positive tests, hospital admissions are not rising hugely.