New infections - 100000 per day?

Mincub

UK inquiry findings

In the UK an independent examination of the pandemic, yesterday accused the UK government of ignoring the pandemic at the outset.

The People’s COVID Inquiry has been hearing from doctors and experts for several months and yesterday it joined calls for an independent judicial inquiry as it set out some preliminary findings.

The inquiry said there was “still time” for a coherent policy to end community transmission of the virus without implementing nationwide lockdown.

It called for the UK to implement urgently established public health measures, including enforcing the wearing of masks and social distancing in indoor spaces.

It supported test, trace and isolation with economic support for quarantining.

Chair Michael Mansfield QC said: "For four months we have been hearing from the bereaved and from leading world experts, for four months we have got on with the job the Prime Minister has declined and which he has no real intention of carrying out.

“The pandemic has uncovered a government unfit for purpose and at the same time a democratic deficiency in which there is no accountability (even when caught on camera) until shamed by public demand. Otherwise, pandemic policy cannot be effectively challenged.”

Thanks for that Mincub.

I have been very lucky in the fact that I have never had a serious days illness in my life. The last time I was confined to my bed was when I was 13 with German measles. But I have always looked after myself. I exercise daily, walk 10 miles and regularly do weight training. I could not imagine ever eating any junk food and I maintain a very healthy BMI.

So do others who suddenly found it was not enough.

Christian Erikson for one, in the news recently. He was lucky but I know several others of all ages who were not.

And no, people are not to blame for their own poor health

If you and your family are lucky enough to have good genes then that is wonderful but it is no reason for condemning others who may not be so blessed.

MissChateline

But that is the whole point...People are to blame for their own poor health . Who is to blame for an individual being obese ? Obesity leads to diabetes. Preventable or not ?
Yes i am lucky . I can get out and exercise in the country. But if I was living in city I would still get out and walk 10 miles. Its about motivation.

No, it's not about motivation at all.

I thought we'd been through all this on earlier threads.

growstuff

*Growstuff are you really saying that this isn’t caused by the individual not taking responsibility for themselves and is not preventable?*

Yes, I am saying that in my case, at least, diabetes wasn't preventable. I was diagnosed when I had a blood test for something else because I didn't present as the "typical" diabetic.

My friend was not typical either, growstuff, tall, slim, fit, ate healthily.

She was treated for T2 for two years until she became very ill and they realised she was T1, now managed thank goodness.

I can think of several other people whose ill health has genetic determinants, which has led to them developing specific diseases and even an early death.

Good post, M0nica

Now the human genome has been mapped and more is being found out about disease from genetic testing, we realise just how many of us carry hereditary genetic faults or have mutated genes which have occurred through no fault of our own.

It may or may not be a good thing to know; on the one hand knowledge could mean we are aware and take extra care and/or have regular tests, on the other this could cause extra stress and anxiety.

I'll be back in a bit; I'm just off to go and tell DS that his life-long asthma is all his own damned fault. I may be some time......

I hoped you would post and explain it better than I ever could Monica

Unfortunately, I seem to have had an overload of genetic markers,. I'm willing to share!

MissChateline Individuals are NOT responsible for their own ill health, some of it, but not all. This applies to obesity as well as high blood pressure and high blood sugar.

Many families have genetic markers that increase their likelihood of getting certain illnesses. DH's family have a history of pancreatic illnesses, cancer as well as diabetes, that is unassociated with obesity or poor lifestyles. DH has inherited them and so has DS. DD has not. My DDiL's family have a very high incidence of stomach cancer and her father died of the disease when she was 7 . She and her sister have regular screenings, in case they too have inherited the gene, but so far so good.

I can think of several other people whose ill health has genetic determinants, which has led to them developing specific diseases and even an early death.

Growstuff, thanks. No need to worry about me, I'm a tough old bird! The body may be weak, however, definitely not obese, but the spirit is very strong indeed! ?

I am off to bed, still biting my tongue. Can you imagine the shock if sensible, goody two shoes, ?, Miss Marydoll was banned from GN for posting what was really on her mind???? ?

Marydoll

MissChateline

Sorry I had no idea, I had no idea that there were so many illnesses out there. I’ve never ever suffered from anything and neither have any of my friends or family ever been ill. Yes I am obsessed by obesity as as an adolescent I suffered from anorexia. It does appear that it is an underlying issue for so many illnesses. It is preventable and is the root cause of so many deaths.

You do say on another thread that you think you had Covid so you have suffered from that.

Jeez oh, pardon my French!!! I am not obese, never have been neither do I have have diabetes. I was twenty one, when I first became ill.

I have RA, my mother, maternal aunt, maternal uncles all had autoimmune diseases and now my cousins have RA.

My chronic lung diseased is caused by the Cystic fibrosis gene. It was only detected a few years ago, by accident.
My three children are all chronic asthmatics and one definitely has the gene.

Now I feel really upset, knowing its all my own fault and I am responsible for not taking care of myself and my children.!
Please enlighten me how this could have been avoided.

Actually I'm not upset, I have done my best to keep well, couldn't have tried any harder.
Half baked theories and ill informed posts, GN at its best! ?

Obesity has been discussed many times on GN. On the one hand, yes, it is preventable, but the reasons it's so prevalent in certain communities is relevant. People comfort eat. Somebody who's struggling with life generally isn't going to bother too much about counting calories or thinking long term. There's also a reason why the majority of over 60s are overweight or obese or maybe you think they're all lazy and don't understand about nutrition.

Sorry I had no idea, I had no idea that there were so many illnesses out there. I’ve never ever suffered from anything and neither have any of my friends or family ever been ill. Yes I am obsessed by obesity as as an adolescent I suffered from anorexia. It does appear that it is an underlying issue for so many illnesses. It is preventable and is the root cause of so many deaths.

MissChateline is partially correct though. I took this from the Kings Fund.

‘Long-term conditions are more prevalent in older people (58 per cent of people over 60 compared to 14 per cent under 40) and in more deprived groups (people in the poorest social class have a 60 per cent higher prevalence than those in the richest social class and 30 per cent more severity of disease) (1).
www.kingsfund.org.uk › tren...
Long-term conditions and multi-morbidity | The King's Fund’

However it’s also partly just the luck if the draw, and as we get older the chances of having a long term condition increases for us all unfortunately, however hard we try to keep ourselves fit and healthy.

Growstuff are you really saying that this isn’t caused by the individual not taking responsibility for themselves and is not preventable?

Yes, I am saying that in my case, at least, diabetes wasn't preventable. I was diagnosed when I had a blood test for something else because I didn't present as the "typical" diabetic.

I haven't mentioned obesity, you seem obsessed with it.
There are many other underlying health conditions, which resulted in people being at high risk of death from Covid.

Are you saying we are all to blame for our own ill health?

How do you suggest I could have avoided diabetes? The consultants I saw when I was first diagnosed didn't have an answer. Do you?

MissChateline I am diabetic and have been for over 30 years. I wasn't overweight (never mind obese), didn't smoke, drank rarely and exercised regularly. I now don't drink alcohol at all. I had a heart attack, for which diabetes is a risk factor. I didn't "deserve" to be ill, any more than Marydoll does. Actually, you would hate to walk in my shoes because I suffer from excruciating diabetic neuropathy. 25% of Covid deaths have diabetes on the certificate as a comorbidity. My condition is nowhere near so serious as Marydoll, but it still means that I am more likely to be seriously ill if I'm infected with Covid. I've had two vaccinations, but we all know they're not perfect, so if people are going to abandon their masks, it will mean that I have to be extra careful, so my freedom to act as I want is restricted. It really gets up my nose when some people suggest mask wearers are "scared". No, they quite rationally, don't have a death wish.

But that is the whole point...People are to blame for their own poor health . Who is to blame for an individual being obese ? Obesity leads to diabetes. Preventable or not ?
Yes i am lucky . I can get out and exercise in the country. But if I was living in city I would still get out and walk 10 miles. Its about motivation.

MissChateline, no-one is disputing the huge contribution you have made to people's lives. It can't have been an easy job and I admire you for that. You have been very honest about your past and how you turned your life around is commendable.

However, you have not done yourself any favours by implying that people are somehow to blame for their own poor health and misfortune. That immediately get posters' backs up. Was that your intention? An agent provocateur?

I would never expect, nor want sympathy from anyone for my situation, but empathy is a different matter.
You cannot accuse posters of being judgemental, when you yourself have been judgemental of others.

Gosh.....just how judgemental with no insight whatsoever. But I guess that I have made a huge positive contribution to the lives of the many people who i have supported over the years through my career.
No i didn't earn a lot but I was disciplined enough to make sacrifices. No i wasn't supporting my children in their younger years. But as a stay at home mother I wouldn't have been anyway. Uncharitable I think not if you know me. How quick people are to make judgements.

Marydoll

Sorry, that was meant for Miss Chateline. I wrote, deleted and re-wrote my post so many times, as I was afraid I would be sent to the Doghouse.