New infections - 100000 per day?

GardenofEngland

Franbern I completely agree we must learn to live with it and all the media scaremongering over rising cases does not help. Trying to get hospital appointments that have been cancelled rescheduled, getting a doctor appointment is impossible. How many people are dying or getting very ill because of not having treatments makes me so angry. I am sick of the excuse of its because of Covid. We need to get back to 'normal' and make our own judgement on what we are prepared to risk. If people want to never go out always wear a mask fine but don't expect everybody to go along with that.

So don't follow the media "scaremongering" if you can't cope with it.

If the public is supposed to be responsible and make its own decisions, it needs accurate information, including the number of cases locally. Most people are intelligent enough to interpret it in context.

donnab31 The risk of teenagers being seriously ill or dying is indeed much less than older people, although the risk of their suffering from long Covid is still significant.

There are about 7.4 million teenagers in the UK. The plan at the moment seems to be to let most of them acquire immunity by being infected, as nearly all of them will be, if there are no mitigations.

Between 4-8% of teenagers who have had Covid are reporting long Covid. That equates to 296,000 - 592,000 people.

Currently, nobody knows how long the effects of long Covid last. The current statistics are for people with symptoms three months after infection, but they will last much longer for some people, possibly for life. Covid attacks all major organs of the body, including the brain. If you've been following the case of Derek Draper, you'll understand what I mean.

So, please, donnab31, next time you claim that young people aren't affected, remember the ones who will be affected, in some cases left with a lifelong disability. That's not scaremongering. It's already started happening and we just don't know how serious it will be. I think gambling with these young people's long-term health is going too far and it's not exaggerating to claim they've been thrown on a scrap heap.

I'll be trying to continue to be careful and will be avoiding busy places where others are not.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/leeds-cancer-surgery-coronavirus-nhs-b1879646.html

Franbern I completely agree we must learn to live with it and all the media scaremongering over rising cases does not help. Trying to get hospital appointments that have been cancelled rescheduled, getting a doctor appointment is impossible. How many people are dying or getting very ill because of not having treatments makes me so angry. I am sick of the excuse of its because of Covid. We need to get back to 'normal' and make our own judgement on what we are prepared to risk. If people want to never go out always wear a mask fine but don't expect everybody to go along with that.

If we can’t put our trust in the vaccines to protect us now, when will we?

We all know now that covid will always be around, and presumably variants will spring up from time to time, so we need to accept that and maybe alter our thinking about the virus.

It’s always worth repeating that the vast majority of people who contract covid make a full recovery.
That’s even true for elderly people.

My views are similar to those expressed by MissChateline,
although even though I enjoy a good walk, I can’t in all honesty claim to do 10 miles a day!

I use anti-bac/alcohol gel anyway. I don't know where the hands have been of the last person to use a shopping trolley etc.
When I walk into a shop or the doc's and the bottle is there I'll use it to put other people at ease.
I can't wear a mask but I will do whatever else I can to protect other people or make them feel more comfortable.
I myself am not scared of catching covid as we already had it last year with very little illness thankfully.
I still believe that the economy is balancing on a knife edge and clearly the government have had to weigh that up, along with the numbers of hospitalisations and deaths.
The case numbers go up every time there's another scare story/new variant etc because more people test but that doesn't mean they're ill or even have any symptoms at all.

And teenagers haven't been thrown on the scrapheap - the risk of them getting serious illness is miniscule. The risk of side-effects from the vaccine is potentially much higher, as Chris Whitty & Patrick Valance said on Monday.

MissChateline

Shelflife, I certainly am not being lulled into a false sense of security. But I think that I have dealt with the whole pandemic thing in a very different way to many contributors on here. After the very first week of feeling terrified of dying alone, my wife had became stuck in Spain, I realised that this was not the way to deal with it and that the anxiety and fear were more debilitating and damaging than the virus. I did the things that I was required to by law, masks in shops and public transport. But that was it. I hugged my family, refused to cut myself off and concentrated on maintaining my physical and mental health. I walked 10 miles a day, saw my friends and generally got on with life.
Additionally I organised an entire house renovation with walls being knocked down, new kitchen installed, total decorating and all of the rest of what was needed. I probably had at least 30 tradesmen all working for the best part of a year. There was the designers, project manager, plasterers, builders, plumbers, joiners, electricians, Tiler’s and decorators. Then came curtain makers, carpet cleaners and furniture deliveries. I always insisted that they did not need to wear masks unless they wanted to in the house as it was hot and heavy work they were doing and on many occasions I worked alongside them and was around for the full process. I loved every minute of it. Not once did I feel “unsafe”. I was doubly lucky as I got the best of the local tradesmen who had had work cancelled as customers were to frightened to have workmen in the house.
I continually find it concerning the levels of sanitisation and people avoidance that is going on. The amount of stress that people are putting themselves through. There were many who observed guidelines as if they were the law (it was never illegal to hug anyone) who still caught COVID and those of us who carried in as normal and haven’t as much as sneezed for 15 months. The levels of mental health problems that will manifest from this is terrifying.
I have been very lucky in the fact that I have never had a serious days illness in my life. The last time I was confined to my bed was when I was 13 with German measles. But I have always looked after myself. I exercise daily, walk 10 miles and regularly do weight training. I could not imagine ever eating any junk food and I maintain a very healthy BMI.
So I am not being lulled into a false sense of security because I believe that life has to go on. I know that having been doubly vaccinated I am highly unlikely to be seriously ill.
As an aside, I used to work with the homeless in a residential hostel about 20 years ago. Many of the male residents were actively infected with TB. Did I spend my life worrying whether I was going to be become ill from it…. No I didn’t because like most others I was vaccinated.

You sound lucky and frankly very well off! It's difficult when you don't have a garden, or local family/friends or a well paid job with access to funds to do big building projects to Keep boredom at bay. It's been utterly grim for I would think the majority of people, specially so for those who were dumped by their employers early on in first lockdown and those for whom benefits are their only lifeline. Every society is measured I feel by the way they treat the weaker in their ranks and are prepared to understand that "I did I so why don't you?" Is a glib attitude.im glad you've found all this an opportunity to enjoy your lot.spare a deep thought and maybe understanding of those for whom this is not and never will be the case.TB? not the case my love .think you're massaging the lemon there! In short you sound like a right smug show off! And seriously question what you're doing on here anyway , gran? I doubt it!

Me too, they say they are giving freedom to the community, but not ours.

We shall continue to be careful, wear masks in public places and avoid areas such as cinemas, restaurants. cafes, wherever we dont feel safe.

Carolpaint

Yippee, nothing changes, there are them that does and them that talk about them that does. There are going to be infections there are always going to be infections, it is not going away. Those not vaccinated have been given their chances, the young will continue with mild illness. If you are still an ill person then why do you consider interfering with the freedom of others takes precedence? The optimum time has been chosen before the rump of respiratory illness descends. The country needs to start opening up and working we are needing productivity and people at their posts as much as possible. How we ever had an Empire with most of the scaremongers on here fails me.

Goodness me, Carolpaint, what an attitude! I assume you are fit, healthy, robust, never a days illness in your life? And all your friends and family are the same? I wouldn’t like to be a member of your family if I had, say, asthma, a heart or lung condition, diabetes, etc - presumably I would need to be locked away somewhere so that you could continue with your gay social life unimpeded?

Carolpaint you say that we are scaremongering on here. You say the country needs opening up the country needs productivity and people should get back to their posts.

With 100000 new cases a day by August and 5000 cases of long covid predicted I am not sure where all the workforce
will be coming from when the country is "fully opened"
How many will actually be turning in for work?

Franbern [email protected], yes I agree.
Rosie1959 I looked at the evidence for numbers tested and we do better than all bar 4 countries, but how does that make sense of reports of the number of cases in European countries compared with the UK?The number of definite Covid related deaths and hospitalised cases is what we need to look at.

Nicola Sturgeon on her briefing today has said 3% of people with the virus will be admitted to hospital per day, compared with 13% in the second wave. That’s why they are saying the link between infection and hospitalisation has been weakened, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s not an issue - if the 100,000 infections per day comes to pass that’s 3000 hospital admissions a day. Let’s all just hope the infection rate starts dropping soon.

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growstuff

donnab31 Why do you anti-bac? Coronavirus is a virus and won't be killed by anti-bac.

For heavens sake, do you really imagine that all these months of washing our hands to avoid the virus is pointless? Thorough washing of hands WILL remove a virus from your skin and stop it being transferred to your face and hence your nasal passage/mouth. I think you are confusing this with the fact that antibiotics do not work against a virus.

Ahem! Excuse me! I wasn't talking about hand washing and I agree with you that washing hands with soap and water or an alcohol hand wash can contribute to a reduction of transmission. I asked about anti-bac, use of which is a waste of money against a virus.

Where did I state washing hands is a waste of time? I think you are confusing what I wrote with what you think I wrote.

Carolpaint Why are you ignoring the young people who will develop long Covid?

Why should vulnerable people have their freedom interfered with by selfish people who find wearing a mask such a big deal? Thankfully, responsible companies such as Ryanair will still insist on mask wearing.

Nobody on this thread has talked about "not opening up". In fact, most places are already "opened up".

What the heck does an Empire have to do with anything?

growstuff

donnab31 Why do you anti-bac? Coronavirus is a virus and won't be killed by anti-bac.

For heavens sake, do you really imagine that all these months of washing our hands to avoid the virus is pointless? Thorough washing of hands WILL remove a virus from your skin and stop it being transferred to your face and hence your nasal passage/mouth. I think you are confusing this with the fact that antibiotics do not work against a virus.

Yippee, nothing changes, there are them that does and them that talk about them that does. There are going to be infections there are always going to be infections, it is not going away. Those not vaccinated have been given their chances, the young will continue with mild illness. If you are still an ill person then why do you consider interfering with the freedom of others takes precedence? The optimum time has been chosen before the rump of respiratory illness descends. The country needs to start opening up and working we are needing productivity and people at their posts as much as possible. How we ever had an Empire with most of the scaremongers on here fails me.

I'm pretty horrified at the thought that people will no longer be taking care by wearing masks and social distancing. We've been careful all the way through the pandemic and our behaviour won't be changing, we may actually stop going out to restaurants as it looks likely that this will be increasingly risky.
We're both fully vaccinated but the small risk of catching Covid (or passing it on to others) and adding to the risk of more dangerous mutations is worrying.

I had just started to go out and about and was looking forward to visiting the cinema and theatre and to browsing on the high street. Now that all restrictions are to be lifted , I won’t be going in any of those places so I won’t be helping the economy recover that’s for sure.
Luckily I live in Wales and am hoping Drakeford at least keeps mask wearing in shops and on public transport. X

3nanny6

Growstuff yes they did say that it may be able to evade the current vaccines, so with that variant in circulation surely the government should be proceeding with more caution. How long before it is identified, isolated and stamped out? Some people are extremely worried particularly those with compromised immune systems who will have to shut themselves away from 19th July.

I agree.

Legs55 Diabetics were never required to shield, despite the fact that 25% of Covid deaths also have diabetes on the death certificate.

donnab31 Why do you anti-bac? Coronavirus is a virus and won't be killed by anti-bac.

My husband is immune suppressant with cancer . Far too risky as the consequences are deadly. We will be wearing masks avoiding busy areas and eating at home ! Too many people think it’s all fine now. They won’t if they become ill.

M0nica

Alioop
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/chris-whitty-masks-lockdown-covid-b1878776.html

Chris Witty on when he, unmasked. will don a mask . I have yet to speak to an unmasker, including me, who hadn't drawn up similar rules for themselves.

You are being throughly alarmist for no good reason.

I can't believe you wrote that. Alioop is not being alarmist. There are plenty of very good reasons for continuing to wear a mask.

donnab31 I think you're a tad behind with the argument. Most people seem to be saying that they have been leaving home, but still being very careful. I don't think many are still staying at home completely.

There seems to be an (almost) consensus that restrictions such as large meetings should be lifted, but that masks should still be worn for the time being in places such as public transport and enclosed spaces.

What people are saying is that if others won't respect the safety of other people, they will have their own freedom to go out restricted. For some people, that isn't a choice, if they are, for example, immuno-suppressed or are clinically vulnerable.

There is also the huge issue of schools and the vaccination of teenagers, who seem to have been thrown on the herd immunity scrap heap.

MOnica
I can't see how I'm being alarmist because I've decide to wear my mask, the choice is mine at the end of the day. My post was more about my concerns about beds being taken up again by Covid patients needing care while others are left still waiting even longer now for ops.