New infections - 100000 per day?

The modelling has been wrong many times through use of out of date statistics and the phrase 'could be' is significant. Don't forget, in the words of Benjamin Disraeli, 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

We will continue to be very cautious, to protect ourselves but also to protect others and the nhs. That’s sounds a big self righteous maybe and over cautious but it’s done with respect for those who have worked tirelessly over the last 18 months - nhs but also all key workers. We have just begun to eat out - usually outdoors and have felt well protected and safe, but when the rules change then we probably will revert to eating at home as we don’t want to risk being in a crowded restaurant with loads of other people from all over the country - we live in a seaside area which will undoubtedly be full of folks from everywhere! Of course they deserve a holiday and I hope they enjoy good weather and a great time but I am concerned that many of them will have and pass on the virus, often unknowingly, which may well shut down many of the places they want to visit due to staff self isolating.

I agree with Miss Chateline. I will welcome a more open society with open arms, but I will continue to wear a mask and sanitise if I feel it necessary. I'm an adult and can make my own judgements. I too am double jabbed. I agree wholeheartedly with the comments about rules for returning to the UK. We have a small holiday home and having it sit there unoccupied for so long is worrying. The current testing is a money making exercise with private companies making a small fortune. The other money spinner is the fact our dogs can no longer travel on pet passports, needing a 'health certificate' costing £125 each. We have two dogs! Adding up testing costs and doggie costs would pay for another holiday in itself.

Athenia at least you gave us laugh this morning, which was sorely needed!

Athenia

Amazed that so many believe the official figures.
Does it not make you suspicious that no influenza cases were recorded all winter?
They were all called covid, regardless.
Please do your own research.
Very sadly, the reported figures are being hyped in order to create fear and panic in the population at large.
This virus has caused the death of 0.03 of the population, exactly the same as winter flu, usually those with other conditions and elderly.
Please take courage and use the internet to inform yourself about statistics, as the media is manipulating your thoughts to create fear and division.
This is not the kind government that you imagine it to be. Please be aware.

Please do your own research.

Its started quite early today.

Now people will get annoyed with me saying it, I know, but having a higher scientific degree means that I do, actually know what "do your own research" means. Googling the internet isn't it.

But what the internet did tell me is that the virus has caused the death of 0.2% of the population, so about 10 times what you claim.

My son was positive for covid so I had to call my other sons school and the attendance officer said more children are off than in. We all have to have pcr tests now too and she said we have to isolate from yesterday, the day of the positive case in the house. Not sure if this is true. I have now convinced myself I have it You can see how it spreads though. His test was delivered Saturday and we still hadn't had the result until last night. He is completely well now and was saying he was going to go out!

Amazed that so many believe the official figures.
Does it not make you suspicious that no influenza cases were recorded all winter?
They were all called covid, regardless.
Please do your own research.
Very sadly, the reported figures are being hyped in order to create fear and panic in the population at large.
This virus has caused the death of 0.03 of the population, exactly the same as winter flu, usually those with other conditions and elderly.
Please take courage and use the internet to inform yourself about statistics, as the media is manipulating your thoughts to create fear and division.
This is not the kind government that you imagine it to be. Please be aware.

Thank goodness, the majority “get it” and will continue to be extremely cautious.
Some comments leave me feeling nauseous!
Saying, with pride, I mix with everyone and I’m alright Jack is so selfish, narrow minded and egotistical.
It feels like they’re thumbing their noses at those of us who have been very ill, suffering from long Covid and have lost people to this dreadful virus.

UK inquiry findings

In the UK an independent examination of the pandemic, yesterday accused the UK government of ignoring the pandemic at the outset.

The People’s COVID Inquiry has been hearing from doctors and experts for several months and yesterday it joined calls for an independent judicial inquiry as it set out some preliminary findings.

The inquiry said there was “still time” for a coherent policy to end community transmission of the virus without implementing nationwide lockdown.

It called for the UK to implement urgently established public health measures, including enforcing the wearing of masks and social distancing in indoor spaces.

It supported test, trace and isolation with economic support for quarantining.

Chair Michael Mansfield QC said: "For four months we have been hearing from the bereaved and from leading world experts, for four months we have got on with the job the Prime Minister has declined and which he has no real intention of carrying out.

“The pandemic has uncovered a government unfit for purpose and at the same time a democratic deficiency in which there is no accountability (even when caught on camera) until shamed by public demand. Otherwise, pandemic policy cannot be effectively challenged.”

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Miss Chatelaine, may I say your posts seem to be all about you and your wife. You are very fortunate to be healthy and I hope you remain so but please don’t think it’s all down to motivation and hard work as you suggest. Luck plays a big part too. I have had asthma since childhood and have therefore feared catching Covid as I don’t think it would go too well for me, and there will be vast numbers of people with that and other conditions not of their own making and not cured by exercise and healthy eating. I have had both vaccinations but can still catch Covid and you can still spread it.

Please think of others and don’t be so selfish. I hope none of those tradespeople you so loved having around whilst the rest of us were trying to keep well away from others caught or spread Covid.

If restrictions were bot lifted there would be a discussion on here complaining about it. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I rarely hear any positivity here....

Yes, Marydoll, we must all continue to take care of ourselves and others.

Well said MissChateline, agree with you. I for one cannot wait for freedom day when maybe, just maybe I won't be made to feel like a walking bio hazard and not a human being.

I don't have the option of staying home/staying safe. We've been instructed to be back to the office (London Bridge) on 26 July 2021. I take medication that supresses my immune system and was on the NHS shielding list through the pandemic, now I'm double jabbed I'm expected to get on my usually crowded tube train in the rush hour. To say I'm apprehensive is to downplay my feelings. I went into the office yesterday - still not taking the tube, I'm lucky I have an overground train I can use - and that was very much busier than it has been in recent weeks both going in and coming home. Lots of people without masks on the train, and at London Bridge station on the platforms. I mean, probably 50%.

I had volunteered in 2019 to steward the Euro's at Wembley (I'm very local to the Stadium). I decided to cancel that in December when I was contacted again, convinced it wouldn't be secure enough. Drove past Wembley Stadium at 10pm last night to pick my son up from the station and the streets around were full of people!

NO absolutely will not change my behaviour .....I have continued to go whereever is open and I can get in !! I have to use public transport as since I returned from living in the EU for 21 years (thanks, Brexit !!) my UK licence was changed from UK to Spanish, then to French ...and the hassle at 73 to change it back is too much bother ! I have taken EVERY holiday in the few weeks when lifting of lockdown happened last year .....I have had so many holidays cancelled and desperate to get away ....suppose to be going back to Menorca, where I used to live, in a couple of weeks time .....so although I am still going out every day for coffee, lunch or tea, I never stopped going out ever day from the start - I am being careful NOT to go anywhere inside as the NHS App is a pain in the neck ...doesn't work, anyway ! Friends and I went a while ago to a restaurant, I signed in the NHS App....they did their contact details in writing ..(we know where it was as the local press reported it and it was closed down for a few weeks)...I was told to isolate for 5 days ...they were told NOTHING ....fantastic, or what !!!! another person I know went to a sporting event with friends....HE was told to isolate as he was the only one using the App..his friends were not contacted...so what's the point !! Wasting so much time, money, effects on the economy and people's lives it is a disaster ......I have more holidays booked this year (some even cancelled from late 2019 !) I AM GOING if I am still alive ....we simply have to learn to live with it as we have many viruses down the centuries otherwise there would be no one left if we all panicked and believed the propaganda issue daily by Doris ..........

winterwhite

If as we hear something like 80% of adults are estimated to have antibodies, where will 100,000 new cases a day come from, and for how long? Esp as the -30s get their 2nd jabs in a few weeks.

I believe there are areas that still have a high degree of 'vaccine hesitancy'. I think I'd support measures to make vaccination mandatory for those in full health. Reluctant to think this, but I do if the alternative is increasing fear of the virus and those at v low risk in effect shutting the economy down by continuing using to stay at home.

People with antibodies could still be in the 100,000, they might not be ill or very ill but they might still test positive.

I think. Happy to be corrected if somebody thinks different.

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Interesting stats on hospital admissions/patients, as we were discussing last night.

Disclaimer: I know that this doesn't impact on the staff shortages due to isolation.

Several pubs around us are shut due to staff having to isolate. I intend cramming as much into protected life before so called Freedom Day, then be very wary until I see how this stupid experiment goes. Particularly looking forward to getting out on Sunday afternoon when most will be watching the tv.

If as we hear something like 80% of adults are estimated to have antibodies, where will 100,000 new cases a day come from, and for how long? Esp as the -30s get their 2nd jabs in a few weeks.

I believe there are areas that still have a high degree of 'vaccine hesitancy'. I think I'd support measures to make vaccination mandatory for those in full health. Reluctant to think this, but I do if the alternative is increasing fear of the virus and those at v low risk in effect shutting the economy down by continuing using to stay at home.

Franbern, totally disagree, the virus has been spread by a lot of people not bothering with adhering to any restrictions, not wearing masks etc and a lot of those are younger with total disregard for anyone and they have plenty of time to make up for any slight inconvenience, older people may not

‘Could’ don’t worry about it ?

The 416 I quoted for England were admissions not in hospital infections SueDomin, but in hospital infections are a huge problem because most hospitals don’t have single en suite rooms, so isolating patients with covid is a nightmare.

I can believe that the test and trace requirements for staff to isolate will cause lots of staff shortages like you describe happening Alegrias1, if the estimates are correct and the infection rate goes up to 50,000 a day, and each one of those infects the average 3 others then the next month could be very difficult indeed for the NHS.

I think the staff shortage is causing problems in Raigmore in Inverness Sue, Casdon. They have comparatively few Covid cases but large numbers of staff are self isolating.

I paid attention because that was the hospital I was born in when it was basically just a collection of Nissen huts

My dd told me that lots of their Covid cases are people who came in with other conditions and then test positive for Covid. They haven’t been admitted because of Covid.

They’ve also got staff shortages due to people being pinged and having to isolate.