New infections - 100000 per day?

I have been very puzzled by the rapid growth in obesity over the last 2 or 3 decades and I have always believed that there was more to it than just blaming people for eating to much.

Recent work into the effect of eating ultra-processed foods, generally referred to as UPFs, and consumed as ready meals, and processed food of every kind, has begun to shed light on this connection www.soilassociation.org/media/21669/ultra-processed-foods_soil-association-report.pdf just one of many reputableorganisations researching this subject.

Unfortunately in this country we seem to have long lost a true respect for food. From the late 19th century onwards there seeems to have been a strange form of puritanism in Britain, that was uneasy about the pleasures of the table, where people seem to have developed a perverse pride in just how bad institutional, public and domestic cookery was, at the same time extolling the virtues of good plain cooking, but having a sneaking respect and toleration for those who boasted of their lack of culinary skills.

I think this why the last two generations have so quickly lost their ability to cook and taken to eating UPF foods to such an extent. We consume more UPFs than almost any other country (except possibly the US) and have the obesity to prove it.

One thing that gives me the heaves is the fat police. There are a million reasons for being overweight and we have no right to judge. I stand by my original comment, it is all too much and too contradictory.

Marydoll
Yes brilliant drug but awful side effects. My first stint on them was 18 months, hopefully this time will be shorter if the new drug they've put me on works. Fingers crossed

Gran16 I couldn't have put it better myself. ?
Steroids are indeed the work of the Devil, but a necessary evil. I once put on a stone in a few weeks, because of them.

Thank you to anyone who mentioned me in their posts and sending virtual hugs and good wishes to anyone who is struggling with anything health wise physical or emotional.

I do struggle with my weight too but long term steroid need make it very difficult to lose weight. I'm also disabled too which makes life increasingly difficult to exercise etc.

Emotionally difficult too, I have 4 grandchildren that I haven't seen in well over a year including one I've yet to meet.

This is why we need to be kind, you never know what others are going through. Life is hard enough with what we have to live with even pre-covid without tearing each other down too.

Marydoll
Thank you .. sending a virtual hug back to you

I'm always so disappointed when people (swiftly and eagerly) take credit for good health, good fortune and success, insisting they've 'earned' it - then criticise and blame the unfortunate, unhealthy 'losers' without a thought of 'There, but for the grace of God' etc.

Another alarming, yet very popular misconception is the conviction that, being strong, fit and healthy somehow guarantees avoiding Covid - or having a mild infection - simply not true.

Maddyone, thank you. Yes many decisions have been very difficult and certainly not taken lightly and without a great deal of soul searching. Looking back, they were the right decisions and everyone involved is now happier than they would have been if nothing had changed. At the time it was lonely and painful. But my motto is ……you pick yourself up, dust yourself down and carry on.
Just for the record as people do seem to remember details, I am not a runner, never have been apart from being a reasonably decent sprinter at school. My passion is hiking and I do get out twice a day when I’m at home or long day walks with my hiking partner. I am lucky to live in a beautiful country area where I can walk alone for miles.
Oh and my darling wife freely admits that she is portly with dodgy knees. She proudly states that she loves her jelly belly as she grew it all herself!!

MissChateline, apologies if I contributed to upsetting you. You obviously understand mental health difficulties as you run to maintain good mental health. I was merely pointing out that at times I have not had robust mental health, but I know these difficulties run in my family. Anyway, I was certainly not trying to be judgmental. In fact, I think you’ve been very brave during your lifetime as you found the courage to leave your husband and come out as gay. As I have a gay son I am aware how difficult this is to do, but of course he’s younger than you, and times have changed over the years. I understand you probably got married because that was what people expected everyone to do at that time.

JaneJudge

god they are all bunch of self serving toss pots

god they are all bunch of self serving toss pots

So Pfizer have tweaked their vaccine to cover the Delta variant. Given that Sir Patrick Vallance is one of the government advisors advocating the opening up of the country thereby increasing infections and making the Pfizer vaccine more necessary isn’t the fact that he has thousands of pounds worth of shares in Pfizer a conflict of interest? Hancock denied that it was a conflict of interest last autumn. I assume he still has the shares?

MissChateline you're obviously not a troll as you've been posting for some time - but I have to say you've rather invited criticism with your boasts of how super-fit you are and that others are responsible for their own ill health.

I remember at the height of lockdown you got into a scrap on here by boasting how you do 2-hour runs, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day, which was against the guidelines. You said then and since that you do this to maintain your mental health.

Would it be boastful of me to say that my mental health is very robust and certainly needs no more than a trot around the park, or a stroll around Peter Jones to keep me bright and perky. We're all different.

Maybe you're more fragile than you think.

And finally, it wasn't very nice to say your wife is fat with dodgy knees - a bit unkind.

MissChateline, this thread most probably just wasn't the right place to discuss it. I'm sure there are lots of women on here who can empathise either through lived experience or witness of it. I'm glad you have a good relationship with your daughter's now.

Thank you to those who have offered positive and supportive posts. Thankfully the most recent and nastiest post has now been removed by GN.
I attempted to raise an issue which was considered taboo at the time in the early 80’s and it appears that people continue to have very strong feelings about it. Understandably as it is a very emotive issue. I didn’t expect the personalised venom and downright nastiness that I received. I apologise if I have upset anyone but I really thought that this was a safe place to be able to discuss things.
I am actually very happy to answer any questions that anyone may have as people seem to think that I am a troll. But I will only do this through a PM as I am not prepared to open up again about this in a public forum.

We were born in the 70s and my Mum put up with an abusive husband for far longer than she should have done because of the expectations on her from her own family, let alone society. Lots of excuses were made for my bio Father which really would be completely unacceptable now. I realise this has nothing to do with coronavirus

But to get back to the OP I’m sure an ME sufferer said in DrJohns blog last night that if infections do go up to 100,000 a day that will possibly result in 500 long covid sufferers per day and long covid does not respect age, health, severity of covid symptoms. etc. Which, imo is terrifying.

MissChateline

Oh please give up with your petty vitriol. I am human and I have feelings. I genuinely disclosed my history for the first time on here particularly regarding my marriage with the view to opening a rational discussion. I certainly didn't expect this venom. Im not going to discuss this any further but I will tell you that I have a lovely close relationship with both my daughters and have done since they were small. They spent a great deal of time with me as they were growing up and are beautiful, talented, loving and happy adults with great children of their own.
Enough is enough unless you would like to say these things to my face.

To be fair you did make it sound as if you just totally walked away from your daughters. Having said that, your story is an interesting one especially looking back to a time when society had different expectations of people in so many different ways. It makes me think of my FIL who was a prison warden at a time when there was still a death penalty. He was probably able to do that because he’d been through the horrors of WWII. I’m sure there was as a nice side to him but he buried it so well that me and the children could never warm to him and my ex, a sweet gentle man was brought up having to embrace his fathers just get on with it attitude which ultimately brought about the end of our marriage.

I am extremely uncomfortable with the pile-on towards MissChateline .
I have underlying health issues and fortunately I am able to go to the gym and walk frequently which helps me.

Out not put

contradictions again Miss C regarding your kids upbringing. You certainly don't like it when people stand up to you and call you put!!! Enough!!!

The man who invented jogging died of a heart attack aged 52.
Just saying ?

Oh please give up with your petty vitriol. I am human and I have feelings. I genuinely disclosed my history for the first time on here particularly regarding my marriage with the view to opening a rational discussion. I certainly didn't expect this venom. Im not going to discuss this any further but I will tell you that I have a lovely close relationship with both my daughters and have done since they were small. They spent a great deal of time with me as they were growing up and are beautiful, talented, loving and happy adults with great children of their own.
Enough is enough unless you would like to say these things to my face.

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.^It’s very difficult to exercise and maintain a good weight when, through no fault of your own, you’re in pain.^

Yes, it's a Catch 22 situation, Maybee.

Sometimes inherited diseases require medication which can result in weight gain too.