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Covid becoming just another bug

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-Sept-21 08:00:30

It seems that that the scientists (for those interested John Campbell has the references on you tube) have come to the decision that herd immunity is not possible with the Delta+ variant, and that is is now endemic in society, and that everyone will almost certainly get it.

Boosters, Vit D and a good level of health are our lines of defence. Testing will cease as no point. Argument that there is no point in vaccinating children.

Let’s hope that eventually it will become just another common cold type of virus, but at present it is still pretty unpleasant.

Oh well, I do hope people will continue to mitigate by wearing masks, good ventilation etc, but I fear not.

NotSpaghetti Mon 06-Sept-21 11:37:21

Caleo

Not Sapaghetti, I don't think dust masks do the job that covid masks are supposed to do Because dust masks have valves that let out exhaled air, whereas we need covid masks that filter inhalations AND exhalations. Dust masks are good for filtering inhaled air but they don't filter exhaled air.

You have to decide if you want one with a valve or not. There are two types of FFP3, valves and unvalved.

Looking at the valved ones, some have a directional valve which means it only opens onto your chest, some have valves that open in front (so they allow your breath to come forward), some have valves that only open under exertion/exercise.
The valves are not all the same.

The un-valved ones obviously don't have a valve.

The valved versions are just as good as unvalved for the person wearing them. They are also easier to wear for some people. All these well fitting masks are good with glasses compared to cloth ones as they are tight to the face.

If they are an FFP3 they meet the standards whatever the design. Many of the "dust" masks are guaranteed this standard but they will say so.

I am not an expert on masks but have spent hours researching them over the last 18 months having supplied my extended family with FFP3 /N95 / N99 in February last year.

Most mask manufacturers are happy to send you the test info if you are interested/concerned. Honeywell in America was really helpful for example.

I think on this thread I thought people were trying (primarily) to protect themselves Caleo. My interest a year ago last February was indeed to protect my family. If you would prefer one without a valve then that's fine. If they say FFP3, that's what they are tested to.

Please be aware the "F" and "N" systems are comparable but not tested in the same way. They have different testing methods.
Personally I'm happy with 95% filtration!

Withnail Mon 06-Sept-21 11:38:04

Our friends flew to U.K. from Australia, one 7 hour flight then a 13 hour flight on very crowded plane. All passengers wore masks throughout except for eating.
Neither of them could get the vaccinations Oz.
Neither of them got so much as a sniffle, one of then usually gets a cold after flying.
I'm convinced, masks make a huge difference.
I went to my first indoor fitness over 65's class last week, unmasked, & have come down with debilitating cold. First illness after 2 years being free.

NotSpaghetti Mon 06-Sept-21 11:47:05

Oh. Yes there's an EN standard too. Can't remember where they are from but similar.

BTW, screwfix does only sell vented ones now Caleo - just checked.
I know we had some early on from there though that weren't. They were recommended for asbestos removal so I know they exist.

Paperbackwriter Mon 06-Sept-21 12:17:48

Biscuitmuncher

All you mask lovers, what good did they actually do?

Do you ask the same daft question to the surgeon who is about to replace your hip? Or your dentist peering into your mouth? Ye gods..

Annaram1 Mon 06-Sept-21 12:31:37

Those who sneer at the idea of another lockdown might like
to explain to me why we have the highest rates of infection in Europe. Wearing a mask might just not be sufficient.

rosie1959 Mon 06-Sept-21 12:31:53

We certainly don't need another lockdown the country just can't afford it and to what ends
Mask wearing may help to a certain degree but where do people actually wear them the shops public transport Do we really get so many cases from shops and public transport?
Masks were worn going into pubs restaurants then removed once seated did masks really make that much difference in those settings does the virus disappear once seated

Fashionista1 Mon 06-Sept-21 12:36:13

I think now that most people are double jabbed Covid has become less serious and those in hospital are mostly those who have not been vaccinated. That is very good news but I do worry that if this disease is now considered to be endemic, it will mutate again and become resistant to the current vaccine. Then we have a serious problem. I don't think we should be complacent about Covid, it will never be just another bug, it is potentially life threatening as we have seen.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 12:38:26

Annaram1

Those who sneer at the idea of another lockdown might like
to explain to me why we have the highest rates of infection in Europe. Wearing a mask might just not be sufficient.

Sneering is it?

Pointing out that another lockdown would cripple the country, lead to many more unnecessary deaths and mental health issues?

Lockdown is not a decision to be taken lightly. At the start of this pandemic it was the only option we had. The only way we knew how to control this was to keep us all apart from each other, for months on end. Well that is not sustainable.

If you don't mean "lockdown", but you do mean "more restrictions", then I might agree with you. But frankly, anyone calling for lockdown in the current situation needs to understand what that would mean.

GagaJo Mon 06-Sept-21 12:41:15

Caleo, I found these searching today. A bit cheaper than mine, too! (sorry for the long link)

www.amazon.co.uk/FFP3-NR-Filtering-Individually-Packed/dp/B094DL5XWP/ref=sr_1_18_sspa?dchild=1&smid=A17Q3JJEX6ODVH&psc=1&crid=318ZM888YN244&keywords=ffp3+mask&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRjkyNEhBWjhZVEY1JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODgxNjYyWEpRS1pZWTVFS0dSJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4MjI0ODkyUUtRVlJWWFI1RkhMJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==&tag=gransnetforum-21&qid=1630928360&sr=8-18-spons

Pammie1 Mon 06-Sept-21 12:41:16

@MaizieD. I agree with you that it can’t harm to wear a mask - I feel better wearing one when out and about. But I do think Biscuitmuncher has a point - wearing face coverings alone doesn’t do much to prevent the spread of Covid because the masks themselves in the main are too thin and have gaps allowing airborne germs to enter. The recommendation is to wear an N95 respirator one which fits snugly over the face and incorporates a filter. These stop up to 95% of viruses.

GagaJo Mon 06-Sept-21 12:47:26

What I would also say about the FFP3 masks is that they sit away from your face and nose. I find them more comfortable to wear than the ones that hug your mouth and nose. Just make sure they're sealed around the edges.

NotSpaghetti Mon 06-Sept-21 12:48:20

Those are quite like the Screwfix ones we bought last year Gaga. I think the ones they had then worked out at about 80p each. I know it felt like not a lot for peace of mind.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 13:06:49

Fashionista1

I think now that most people are double jabbed Covid has become less serious and those in hospital are mostly those who have not been vaccinated. That is very good news but I do worry that if this disease is now considered to be endemic, it will mutate again and become resistant to the current vaccine. Then we have a serious problem. I don't think we should be complacent about Covid, it will never be just another bug, it is potentially life threatening as we have seen.

Most people admitted to hospital with COVID in Scotland are double jabbed.

Mutating has nothing to do with being endemic.

The virus will not become resistant to the current vaccine in one mutation, or even several. New versions of the vaccine are in development and trial right now.

It will become just another bug.

4allweknow Mon 06-Sept-21 14:15:36

I know mask wearing is aimed at protesting yourself firstly then a help to protect others. I am though now at a loss to understand how I can I if so desired, go into a nightclub, mingle with hundreds of others, consume alcohol, jump about dancing all without a mask yet have to wear one in supermarkets and stores. I have no objection to wearing a mask, just trying to find the logic.

chrissy08 Mon 06-Sept-21 14:49:43

Biscuitmuncher

All you mask lovers, what good did they actually do?

None at all.
Been proved that wearing a mask is detrimental to health but no proof they prevent any infections.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 14:57:27

chrissy08

Biscuitmuncher

All you mask lovers, what good did they actually do?

None at all.
Been proved that wearing a mask is detrimental to health but no proof they prevent any infections.

Links?

I believe that evidence and facts are being held in low esteem today, but you could at least make an effort.

Olive53 Mon 06-Sept-21 15:12:37

If the figures are to be believed and the virus is as contagious as stated, then we have probably all had it at some stage anyway. And if so, we have the antibodies, which is exactly what the vaccines are supposed to do.
Yet still there is this fear mongering that continues unabated by supermarkets and government departments. Shopkeepers continue to wear masks simply to appease those still living in fear and believing the mask will actually keep them alive.
Flu has always been something that reduces the power of the immune system and death in the vulnerable often occurs. Covid, whilst more volatile, does the same. we need to live with it, the same as we did with flu. No one was forced to have the flu jab, no passports were necessary and the vaccines were to protect those that took the jab, not those that came into contact with them.
And let's not forget that all cases of flu have been added to the covid figures. It is time to get rid of the fear element stop the sensationalism from the media.

M0nica Mon 06-Sept-21 15:14:12

chrissy08 Please can you provide the source for your statement.

It is the custom on GN to provide links to fully validated data when making claims on contentious subjects.

Lincslass Mon 06-Sept-21 15:21:50

chrissy08

Biscuitmuncher

All you mask lovers, what good did they actually do?

None at all.
Been proved that wearing a mask is detrimental to health but no proof they prevent any infections.

Where is your evidence. How can you say masks are detrimental to health, as an asthmatic, I have worn them at work and since this pandemic began, without any problem. It is also proven that they do not inhibit oxygen supply to the lungs.
Handwashing, not always practiced I would guess at, sneezing, coughing, and ignoring symptoms are the cause of the continued spread.
www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now/

Mollygo Mon 06-Sept-21 15:45:53

Chrissy08 can you give sources for your claim? Would you want to be operated in by unmasked surgeons and nurses. If not, why not?

EthelJ Mon 06-Sept-21 15:49:00

I agree with this.
Also I see not wearing a mask as a selfish act. I was speaking to someone today who is immuno supressed , people refusing to wear masks in public indoor spaces makes it so much more difficult for her to go anywhere.

Biscuitmuncher

All you mask lovers, what good did they actually do?

**Without them case numbers would be considerably higher with the consequent increase in deaths and incidence of long covid.

Now I'll reverse your silly question and ask you what harm do they do?**

M0nica Mon 06-Sept-21 15:50:19

I do not think Chrissy08 like Biscuitmuncher will ever reply, they never do, because at the end of the day they know they are talking a lot of tosh and only do it to annoy because they know it teases www.goodreads.com/quotes/44151-speak-roughly-to-your-little-boy-and-beat-him-when

Except, of course it doesn't (tease), just amuses us.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 15:51:34

we have probably all had it at some stage anyway.

No we haven't

And let's not forget that all cases of flu have been added to the covid figures.

No they weren't

Lucca Mon 06-Sept-21 15:52:38

“ Been proved that wearing a mask is detrimental to health but no proof they prevent any infections.”. Where ? By whom ?

Absolute baloney

Lucca Mon 06-Sept-21 15:54:30

But clearly plenty of selfish people around who don’t want the slightest inconvenience.

Just nipped into Waitrose and saw 15 people with no mask on including the security guy,