UK’s over reaction to Omicron.

According to Grant Schapps yesterday the red zone is being lifted because the omicron variant is already here and people isolating in hotels can leave. That’s ok then, just let anyone in. We will be the pariah of the world soon. It’s an absolute dogs breakfast and would be a farce if it wasn’t so bloody frightening.

I really don't understand what Brexit has to do with it.

Regardless of people who choose not to be vaccinated, the country is not over-reacting to the reality of the new variant.

Do you not think that it is the people of the UK who are not getting their jabs, who are overreacting and putting the whole UK at risk with their mindless actions.

The only people who seem to be griping, are the opposition and anti-Brexiteers, who might like to check the values of the British Pound against the Euro, since leaving the unelected Euro commission behind. End of my gripe.

I think that's an excellent point choughdancer. I support restrictions 100% and I have no time for people who break the rules, just because they're fed up or the rules don't suit them. However, it's becoming increasingly difficult to defend that opinion.

No guess which way you will vote today?

The UK is damned if they do and damned if they don’t! I don’t think you can be complacent with any strains of this virus. The measures have been taken to protect the pressure on the NHS who are overwhelmed at the moment. A friend who had a broken wrist had a 9 to 10 hour wait in A & E just to see someone. I listen to Chris Whitty, he says it how it is but it is up to all of us to make sure we do what we can to avoid the spread of this dreadful virus. It is unchartered waters after all. I doubt Kier Starmer would have made better decisions, I have no time for him I am afraid.

What I see from my daily dip into conspiracy theory land (mixed metaphor; sorry!), is that the lying, self-justifying, awarding contracts to mates/donors, popularity seeking, et al by this government gives the conspiracy theorists ample evidence for distrusting the measures taken, and for trying to influence people against vaccination. They then dismiss the scientific experts advising the government and pile on the story of the great takeover due to come. If there had not been the ridiculous protecting of MPs, staff (MH, DC etc.) who had broken the 'rules'; BJ not wearing a mask where everyone else has to; the saga of the Christmas parties; I think there would not be such a large number of people rejecting vaccines. The people in the part of the conspiracy pool that I dip into are absolutely furious with the majority of people who take the vaccine, wear masks, socially distance. They say that only they are standing up strongly to prevent the great reset, the country turning into a version of Nazi Germany, and that we are just blindly letting it happen. 'Can they not see it yet?' they say; 'how will they explain to their children that they didn't stand up for their freedom?' they say. Meanwhile they are standing up for everyone's rights so bravely by ....... not wearing masks, not taking tests, not being vaccinated! Far from feeling guilty or selfish, they accuse the 'jabbed' of being selfish! And the misinformation they transmit convinces a wider audience.

Alegrias1

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At what point will the Tory voters admit that their party just tell lies?

according to Sajid Javid the UK actually alerted the world to the Omicron variant. Not South Africa then?

No argument from me Alegrias1

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At what point will the Tory voters admit that their party just tell lies?

according to Sajid Javid the UK actually alerted the world to the Omicron variant. Not South Africa then?

Streeting tells
@TimesRadio
“we understand the chancellor is currently out of the country in California. So perhaps he might want to get himself on a flight back and get a grip on the situation because businesses need certainty and confidence now."

bobbydog24

Why didn’t Boris close the borders as soon as this new variant was discovered. He always takes days, sometimes weeks to implement this. If he had stopped in and out the day it was announced from South Africa we wouldn’t have these escalating cases we have got. Yes it probably would have come here eventually but not in the amounts that we are seeing now. At least half a dozen planes landed the day South Africa made it public and I bet The government knew before that. Testing before they left would have been helpful but he’s only doing that now. Everything Boris has done us barn door, horse bolted.

Yes and now all and sundry will be allowed in again, who is checking that they all test before flying here. Not a lot seeing as how a huge number tested positive on one flight arriving. Succumbed to pressure from African countries. No other country has.

France is imposing very strict restrictions on UK nationals (except HGV drivers) travelling there from this weekend. Sensible precaution I think, though it will ruin many people's plans.

Whitewavemark2

Apparently.

Handy really as he has a very splendid holiday home there.

Not sure what business tops the crises with our home grown businesses.

MayBee70

I thought Johnson was going to encourage us to lead healthier lives after he had the virus?

He did but I'm sure he is following the advice himself.

I have two days left at work before Christmas and feel like I am dodging bullets! I cannot be the only one.

MayBee70

The important thing is to keep a written record of it but without disclosing it to people.

Yes, I have kept a note. I guess that's one of the reasons the experience still plays on my mind.

I think it's probably OK to mention the fact that the wards were often run by a total number of staff considered to be 'risky' for the safe management of the number of patients. Everyone knows this happens anyway, but it's the reality of what this actually means that is alarming - because I saw first-hand what happens to patients when there are not enough staff to manage them.

Apparently.

Whitewavemark2

Anyone notice that Sunak was nowhere around this week giving at the very least moral support to Britains businesses?

In California apparently - well good for him. Like all the Tories he deserves a well earned break.

Inflation at over 5% now.

Mr.Sunak is on a four day business trip to California whitewavemark2 .

Why didn’t Boris close the borders as soon as this new variant was discovered. He always takes days, sometimes weeks to implement this. If he had stopped in and out the day it was announced from South Africa we wouldn’t have these escalating cases we have got. Yes it probably would have come here eventually but not in the amounts that we are seeing now. At least half a dozen planes landed the day South Africa made it public and I bet The government knew before that. Testing before they left would have been helpful but he’s only doing that now. Everything Boris has done us barn door, horse bolted.

Anyone notice that Sunak was nowhere around this week giving at the very least moral support to Britains businesses?

In California apparently - well good for him. Like all the Tories he deserves a well earned break.

Inflation at over 5% now.

Urmstongran

chrissy08

The biggest danger is all the constant propaganda, all the jumped up hype causing panic. There are absolutely no statistics to prove this is a danger to human life, there is not test & it’s winter, a time for viruses. I’m getting on with my life, had enough of his pantomime.

I get where you’re coming from chrissy08. I wish they stop telling us how many people have Covid (what does it matter so long as they are not too poorly & managing their symptoms quietly at home, like a lof of people I know have and are doing).

I don’t think ‘cases’ are important per se.

I think ‘numbers in hospital’ is important. That’s the most relevant figure. Anything else is white noise.

Cases are important. Once the government stops releasing facts, we really are in trouble.

I expect you know that there's already lobbying to stop including people who catch Covid in hospital (and sometimes die) in the official figures. It's a way of covering up, so the poster whose husband caught Covid in hospital and subsequently died of Covid will just be forgotten about.

MavisCabbage

Totally agree!! I have had enough and l am sure l am not alone.
There was an opportunity to educate the public about viruses- and how they can live healthier lives- but instead the government prefers to try to terrify the population into doing whatever they want them to do. People are now confused, cross and weary- or anxious. It doesn't look like progress to me

So, if you've had enough, what do you suggest?

The important thing is to keep a written record of it but without disclosing it to people.

Hetty58

Dickens, maybe you should 'tell' us - and make it crystal clear just how dire things are already. People never realise until it's too late.

... I'm thinking about it. I don't know how much I should disclose. It's pretty dire - mistakes were made. One, which could have been lethal (to me). But it mostly concerns other patients and staff.
I think one of the ward sisters posts on GN - or did - so I'm really not sure how much I should say, or if I might be breaking any 'rules'... and some of the things I was told by the nurses were told in confidence.
Difficult.

I thought Johnson was going to encourage us to lead healthier lives after he had the virus?

Totally agree!! I have had enough and l am sure l am not alone.
There was an opportunity to educate the public about viruses- and how they can live healthier lives- but instead the government prefers to try to terrify the population into doing whatever they want them to do. People are now confused, cross and weary- or anxious. It doesn't look like progress to me