UK’s over reaction to Omicron.

Sick to death of it all.Sorry you have to learn to live with it.Not hide away while life passes you by.Frightened of every bogeyman virus!

Panic too is a feature in not being able to breathe properly, an added factor, as there's nothing worse when fighting for your breath so unfortunately this exacerbates the virus.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but my point is that in itself, that wouldn't make anyone more susceptible to catching a virus.

EllanVannin

MissAdventure because the heart and lungs are surrounded by a hard fatty substance ( like suet if you're overweight )in those who are obese that it makes the patient unable to breathe properly thus making them more susceptible to breathing problems.

Organs are supposed to be able to breathe but some can't if surrounded by fat. Simple as that.

But it doesn't stop people being infected in the first place. That's why people need to be vaccinated (if they can) and take precautions to mitigate risk.

MissAdventure because the heart and lungs are surrounded by a hard fatty substance ( like suet if you're overweight )in those who are obese that it makes the patient unable to breathe properly thus making them more susceptible to breathing problems.

Organs are supposed to be able to breathe but some can't if surrounded by fat. Simple as that.

MissAdventure

Yes, but what has that got to do with catching a virus?

Absolutely nothing. Obesity is a risk factor for severe Covid illness, but it won't make anybody more susceptible to catching it in the first place.

Yes, but what has that got to do with catching a virus?

montymops

People may think that Taliya’s post is offensive - it is nevertheless true - my son is a surgeon and the problems encountered by him and others whilst trying to save the lives of very obese people, defies description.

Completely agree.

Adopting a healthy lifestyle will no doubt improve general health. However, I'm not overweight, don't drink or smoke and get enough exercise. Nevertheless, I had a heart attack. None of the other patients on my ward were overweight either. I guess we were the ones who survived, but it didn't stop us from having a heart attack.

It is true up to a point. But unfortunately covid doesn’t always respect a good, healthy lifestyle and young, thin health conscious people have died and suffered from long covid when older unfit people have survived. So, regarding the health of the population yes, we do need to take more responsibility for our health. But it won’t necessarily protect us from covid. That’s what’s so terrifying about it.

MaggsMcG



... trying to imagine your grief. So, so sorry.

montymops

People may think that Taliya’s post is offensive - it is nevertheless true - my son is a surgeon and the problems encountered by him and others whilst trying to save the lives of very obese people, defies description.

I'm not disagreeing, but losing weight won't prevent infection or severe illness for many people. Taliya's post seems to imply that healthy eating and daily constitutionals are all that are needed to stop Covid.

People may think that Taliya’s post is offensive - it is nevertheless true - my son is a surgeon and the problems encountered by him and others whilst trying to save the lives of very obese people, defies description.

Barmeyoldbat

Yes, what happened to the Nightingale Hospitals

... good question!

I think there simply aren't enough staff to man them.

The surgeons and consultants, etc, that I have been seeing are travelling between my local hospital and one 40 miles away, as it is, and I'm sure other areas are the same.

And of course, there are not enough nurses with the right competence needed for Covid care.

Greciangirl

Mags.Mr.g
I’m sorry your husband died unnecessarily.

If the Nightingale hospital had been used for what it was intended, the outcome might have been different.

But the Nightingale hospitals weren't allocated staffing. That was the big problem.

Mags.Mr.g
I’m sorry your husband died unnecessarily.

If the Nightingale hospital had been used for what it was intended, the outcome might have been different.

topcat223 I stand by what I wrote. Your assertions are running into conspiracy theory territory.

Pharma companies are no angels, but to suggest they are somehow trying to gain control is ridiculous. They have dedicated scientists working flat out to develop vaccines and they need investors to make sure they can continue with their work - for all our sakes.

PS. Would be better, in your opinion, if people died from Covid rather than cancer?

As usual, Johnson has done too little, too late.

Incompetent.

At the risk of being accused of living by "sayings", I much prefer to take the "prevention (in this case as far as one can, which might not be very far but you don't know unless you try) is better than cure" approach as, were we to do nothing and the pandemic have a devastating effect on our hospitals and the NHS and probably also other businesses and services, it would be too late to apply any significant prevention measures. That's another way of saying "better safe than sorry" and avoiding the problem of "closing the stable door after the horse has bolted".
I also agree (as someone with a science degree) that Boris (and a lot of his rebellious fellow Conservatives) seem incapable of taking advantage of the insight that measured scientific advice can offer as to likely trajectories of the pandemic and having the courage to act in a timely fashion, rather than forever being in a "catch-up" situation as has been the case so far.

Yes, what happened to the Nightingale Hospitals

Sago I couldn't agree more!

Wanting to do the best doesn't mean people are anxious and fearful, though.

The idea that Big Pharma could be guiding the process is not necessarily in my opinion running into conspiracy theory territory - checkout Purdue pharma and Oxycontin or watch the series dopesick. Funny that the pharma corps are saying they can have another vaccine out for March no problem- bet they can. Also how many operations and medical procedures have to be placed on hold for people that will die before they can get treatment, so in that way the government are overreacting. I believe that most of us will have some form of natural immunity by now and if the Omicron is so mild that most people although testing positive do not present with any symptoms then natural immunity should be boosted quicker and faster than ever. The booster is a third vaccine, with the first two now for the most part ineffective. Why have so many NHS staff [70k plus] chosen not to have the vaccine? To anyone I have unintentionally offended with my comments and there are I suspect many of you - I say freedom of speech and democracy are not dead yet. We will have to agree to disagree.

Also GB News particularly Nigel Farage weekdays 7 p.m. shows both sides to each and every argument. You will no longer be anxious and fearful of the future....

Just seen a pop up saying Boris is holding a briefing at 5pm. Hold on to your hats.

esgt1967

I really think it's about time we all took responsibility for our own health with Covid as we did with all other things that can make us ill/possibly cause our untimely death.

I am really sick to the back teeth of being told what I can and can't do in my personal life by the Government and beyond annoyed about the constant talk of "protecting the NHS". Sorry, but this has gone on for far too long now, we know what we need to do to reduce our risk to Covid exposure so please just let us get on with it.

We are not living at the moment, just existing and launching from one crisis to the next it seems with nothing really being achieved. Enough is enough.

Well said?!! ????????