First omicron death

Hetty58

Alegrias1, why 'government propaganda and scaremongering'? Can you give any valid reasons why our government, and others, too, would do that? What advantages would they gain from it?

Like the powers-that-be Hetty58, I want everybody to have their vaccines, and the quicker the better. I wear my mask and do everything that is asked of me. I have nothing but admiration for the work of people in the NHS during the last 2 years, and I'm amazed by the sacrifices and resilience of the medical people involved with the response to COVID.

However, I don't need to see people in hospitals, I don't need to see overworked medical staff to understand what we are living through. There is a school of thought that says that if people only knew what was going on in the ICU wards, they’d get their vaccines, and all this would be over. But the people who are refusing vaccines aren’t, generally, the ones watching the Six O’clock news and discovering now, 2 years in, that they’ve been wrong all along. So what’s the reason for the continual images of full wards and sad nurses? IMO, morbidness. A fascination with showing us death and disease. Not just showing us, but sensationalising it. Look how sad this nurse is. How awful.

Most of the news programs parrot the government announcements without any investigation into what they mean. On the STV news tonight it was announced that Omicron is the dominant variant in Scotland now. So, I ask? Why are you telling me that? What are the implications of that? The news programs seem to have lost all ability to actually analyse what is happening.

Now I’m going to sound a bit extreme – if the population are fearful they’re more likely to do what they’re told. They’re more likely to blame the “others” (anti vaxxers, those who vote against vaccine passports, people mixing etc) than to blame a government that is not doing their job well.

How can a nurse or doctor saying how frustrating it is to watch unvaccinated people becoming so ill (and putting them and others at risk) be "government "propaganda"? They are professionals expressing professional opinions. I cannot think that people of such integrity would be acting for the integrity-free-zone that is Boris Johnson.

MayBee70, I think it must be a lot higher, with asymptomatic infections - and the 'I don't want to know, so never do tests' brigade.

Surely it’s only scaremongering if the figures they give out are incorrect. If anything they are only incorrect in that the infection rate is probably much higher than the official figure.

Alegrias1, why 'government propaganda and scaremongering'? Can you give any valid reasons why our government, and others, too, would do that? What advantages would they gain from it?

Maddyone my DIL and DS have just tested positive with Omicron, after taking a a PCR test. Their lateral flows were originally negative.
My 6 year old DGD is ECV and I'm worried sick. I can't even take her, due to my own status.
My neighbour knows I'm ECV, but hasn't a clue about Covid. Doesn't read a newspaper nor watch the news. I had to tell her yesterday where to obtain lateral flow tests.
She is my friend, but I could shake her, she is so lax regarding Covid precautions restrictions. The Omicron varient is rife here.

Thank goodness you didn’t go to your neighbours house Marydoll as she could have Covid. I know you’re ECV so I think she was rude to ask you. She should get a PCR. My son had a bad cold at the beginning of the week. He tested using a lateral flow test which said negative, but he went to get a PCR as well. It was negative, so obviously was just a cold, but it’s best to check.

I think many don't understand the difference between when to take a lateral flow test or a PCR.

I have just spoken to my neighbour on the phone, who has all the symptoms of Omicron. Because her lateral flow is negative, she believes she couldn't possibly have Covid and there is no need to take a PCR. It could just be just a heavy cold, but then again....
She wanted me to come and reboot her router, I respectfully declined and talked her through it on the phone.

I thought, after his dice with death, Johnson was going to lose weight and take the nation with him?

I've seen the obesity data somewhere too. It's a proven risk factor for death, amongst many.

Thanks growstuff. I just went for a look and yes, there it is. I was going to post it but I decided not to.

I think people want a nice easy set of numbers, and that's not what we have for any of it. If you're heavy, you're more likely to have serious covid. Same if you're old. The vaccine is a wonderful thing but its not 100%.

Some may find this information from Zoe, interesting

joinzoe.com/learn/omicron-symptoms?utm_medium=email&utm_source=zoe_covid_study&utm_campaign=17_december_2021_GB

Sago. I do think there should be more openness about vaccine related problems.

Sago The stats for people who have suffered blood clots after vaccination are out there too. Statistically, he was at higher risk of catching Covid and suffering blood clots as a result of infection. Every single medical intervention (including vaccination) carries some risk.

Sago

There is a massive drive to get the whole population vaccinated and any opportunity to turn the unvaccinated will be taken.

Will they tell us how many hospital admissions are vaccinated and boosted?

Also we need to know if people died with or from COVID and if it was contracted before or during a hospital stay.

Without all of the above information the stats tell us nothing.

There is no information about the masses of people who are ill as a result of the vaccinations.

My daughter, partner and children were due to fly out to the Caribbean for Christmas today, sadly our SIL has two blood clots, one on each lung as a result of his second Moderna vaccine.

This is not an uncommon story yet the authorities are covering it up.

He cannot have any more vaccine and could be on blood thinners for the rest of his life, he was fit,healthy and worked out 5 days a week.

Actually, the stats tell us a lot!

Alegrias1

Witzend

I’d like to see tables with ages of those who’ve died, and the percentages of vaccinated/unvaccinated. Plus, what percentage died with covid, rather than of it?

Whether they were obese would also be good to know, but I can’t see them publishing that, even just as a percentage figure. Cries of ‘fat shaming!’ would undoubtedly ensue.

I've posted this at least twice. Not the obesity data, fair enough.

It's all out there if you really want to know.

I've seen the obesity data somewhere too. It's a proven risk factor for death, amongst many.

Witzend

I’d like to see tables with ages of those who’ve died, and the percentages of vaccinated/unvaccinated. Plus, what percentage died with covid, rather than of it?

Whether they were obese would also be good to know, but I can’t see them publishing that, even just as a percentage figure. Cries of ‘fat shaming!’ would undoubtedly ensue.

As Alegrias has stated, the statistics are all out there, if you look.

As for the argument about dying with Covid as opposed to of Covid, the distinction isn't so clear as people seem to think. Most people over 60 have some underlying health issue, but can live for many years, despite health issues. Covid deprives the body of oxygen, which causes multiple organ failure. If a particular organ is already stressed, Covid could push it over the edge. How would you decide whether a person has dies with Covid or of Covid? The fact is that many people could have lived many more years, if they hadn't been infected with Covid.

PS. It's why hospital reported deaths and ONS statistics differ slightly, but the fact remains - Covid has killed a lot of people.

Witzend

I’d like to see tables with ages of those who’ve died, and the percentages of vaccinated/unvaccinated. Plus, what percentage died with covid, rather than of it?

Whether they were obese would also be good to know, but I can’t see them publishing that, even just as a percentage figure. Cries of ‘fat shaming!’ would undoubtedly ensue.

I've posted this at least twice. Not the obesity data, fair enough.

It's all out there if you really want to know.

There is a massive drive to get the whole population vaccinated and any opportunity to turn the unvaccinated will be taken.

Will they tell us how many hospital admissions are vaccinated and boosted?

Also we need to know if people died with or from COVID and if it was contracted before or during a hospital stay.

Without all of the above information the stats tell us nothing.

There is no information about the masses of people who are ill as a result of the vaccinations.

My daughter, partner and children were due to fly out to the Caribbean for Christmas today, sadly our SIL has two blood clots, one on each lung as a result of his second Moderna vaccine.

This is not an uncommon story yet the authorities are covering it up.

He cannot have any more vaccine and could be on blood thinners for the rest of his life, he was fit,healthy and worked out 5 days a week.

I’d like to see tables with ages of those who’ve died, and the percentages of vaccinated/unvaccinated. Plus, what percentage died with covid, rather than of it?

Whether they were obese would also be good to know, but I can’t see them publishing that, even just as a percentage figure. Cries of ‘fat shaming!’ would undoubtedly ensue.

MayBee70

I honestly don’t think that many people do realise how hard the past two years have been for NHS workers and think they need reminding in a regular basis. People might think twice about doing things that might put them in A&E if they realise they might have to wait hours for an ambulance. And I still see people on the internet sneering about covid flu etc.

Well said. I'm always baffled when people claim that not having restrictions would mean that more people could be treated for cancer, etc. It seems they haven't made the connection between having a finite number of staff and beds and being able to treat people. It seems that some people think we should all close our eyes and stop treating Covid patients. I don't think everybody has got the message, so it does need repeating.

EllanVannin

It does depend on other factors in your general health, I think.

Age is the single biggest risk factor of dying from Covid - and there isn't anything people can do about that.

It's recognised that other health conditions (some of which can't be changed) increase risk, as is a person's behaviour and the community transmission rates.

It's quite simple to work out individual risk. A person is less likely to be infected than not. However, it depends whether you're prepared for drawing the short straw.

Information about one death isn't significant. There's usually a lag of about two weeks between a person being infected and dying, so the picture should be clearer by the end of the month. Until then, we can just hope that vaccinated people are less susceptible and (in my opinion) should at least prepare for the worst case scenario. If it's true that the person who died wasn't vaccinated, the danger is that vaccinated people will become complacent and think they'll be OK.

In any case, nobody really knows whether there have been more deaths from Omicron. The situation might have changed over the last few days, but until recently most labs weren't equipped to identify Omicron, so it's possible there could have been more. Some samples are being re-tested, but the results won't be available overnight.

The best anybody can do for the moment is be aware how the virus is transmitted and of risk factors and do their best to protect themselves and others.

It does depend on other factors in your general health, I think.

Here's one source for the information:
www.heraldscotland.com/news/19790744.omicron-uks-first-death-variant-was-unvaccinated-conspiracy-theorist/

I honestly don’t think that many people do realise how hard the past two years have been for NHS workers and think they need reminding in a regular basis. People might think twice about doing things that might put them in A&E if they realise they might have to wait hours for an ambulance. And I still see people on the internet sneering about covid flu etc.