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First omicron death

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maddyone Fri 17-Dec-21 11:33:34

No problem Alegrias. I’m just interested in what others think about the information or lack of information that we’ve given about this particular death. I know that one death is statistically unimportant but I wondered if we were not being told anything for political reasons ie if the person was unvaccinated for example. Far be it from me to be cynical, moi? But I just wondered about that. I did hear yesterday that the person was unvaccinated, but it’s not official information and so I didn’t take it seriously.

Alegrias1 Fri 17-Dec-21 10:59:25

Bit off topic - I'm fed up with medics appearing on TV to tell us how tired they are and how they are fed up with unvaccinated patients. I know that they are doing a sterling job but its government propaganda and scaremongering. Most of us know now that the NHS is stretched to capacity so what is the point of having sad nurses on TV telling us what we already know?

There was a program on BBC last night about surgeons. At the end one of them said something like "if you need us we'll be here to take care of you" That's what I want to hear.

Rant over. Hard hat on. Sorry to divert your thread maddyone.

MayBee70 Fri 17-Dec-21 10:55:53

At the start of the pandemic there were lots of stats regarding age, co morbidities of people who sadly died. Which did help people to make informed decisions. Eg it kick started me into losing the weight that had crept up over the years. But I can’t seem to see such stats now. Then again things like that can cause confusion. Eg Dr John said that, in SAfrica there were more very young children in hospital with Omicron, but that didn’t tell the whole story which was that those children weren’t in hospital because of covid. It was just picked up because they were in hospital with other health issues.

Calendargirl Fri 17-Dec-21 10:53:28

A sister/matron interviewed on the News last night admitted that her staff find it difficult to feel sympathy for unvaccinated Covid patients, but obviously they are still given the best care possible.

I’m not surprised they feel like that, so would I in their position.

Alegrias1 Fri 17-Dec-21 10:52:02

No. It doesn't matter what his/her status was. It doesn't matter how old s/he was.

One death in 65 million people is statistically insignificant.

The public have no idea how to interpret the data as we can see from the continual discussions about vaccination status of people in hospital and whether vaccine passports are a good idea.

Knowing the status of this person will not help us decide anything.

Peasblossom Fri 17-Dec-21 10:50:16

I think that one death doesn’t really tell us anything about Omicron or the effectiveness of vaccines, so really it’s irrelevant if details are disclosed or not.

If the patient wasn’t vaccinated it might lead some people to think, well I’ll be all right then and be reckless.

If the patient was vaccinated it might lead others to be more frightened than they need to be.

And neither of those reactions would be right based on just one death.

We won’t know until a pattern emerges and then people need to be told.

Visgir1 Fri 17-Dec-21 10:47:54

I read he was not vaccinated.

maddyone Fri 17-Dec-21 10:39:27

Do you think the public should be informed of the vaccination status of the first omicron patient who died? I entirely agree that the patient and his/her family have the right to privacy, but do the public need to know the vaccination status and age of the patient in order to make informed decisions about their actions during this difficult time. By disclosing these details, the family maintain their privacy, but the public would find it easier to assess risk. We don’t yet know how dangerous, or not, the omicron variant is, but surely if the first death was a fully vaccinated 45 year old, it’s very different from an unvaccinated 75 year old. What are your thoughts?