Discharging hospital patients to care homes at the start of the pandemic

There were threads on here at the time.
Posters were very shocked at what was happening.

@Germanshepardsmum Wed 27-Apr-22 18:36:34

What a horrible snipe at the Care Home staff, GSM. It really is everyone out of step but your lot, isn't it.

My mother was in a Care Home as we went into the pandemic. They knew exactly what needed doing. She died before we went into lockdown from old age not covid thankfully. However, I had to be glad that she didn't have to go through all the rubbish the homes had to take from this government and it felt like I was wishing her away. Heaven knows how those who saw preventable deaths must feel.

The blame is solely at the door of the government. They signed up for the responsiblility and then couldn't handle it. From being unprepared to gross incompetence, they let the frail elderly down.

Strangely, you can't find acceptable evidence to post on here. All countries knew about the possibility of a pandemic. And all you can do to justify the governments empty arguments is to call people names. I bet that used to go down well in court.

No one was "bashing" the government. They were coming to a legal conclusion. Just as the Public Accounts Committee did when they said that the government “exposed limitations in how the government manages risks” and also a “failure to learn”, from both simulation exercises and actual incidents.

It's time for those who appear to worship the ground Johnson walks on to admit it was a mistake and open their eyes to just how disastrous this government has been and looks like continuing to be.

People were discharged from hospital without being tested and put into care homes.
How would anyone expect that to end?

People running some care homes seem to have shown little or no understanding of the situation. Temporary staff were hired with no care as to where they had been working previously and they transferred covid from one home to another. Some care home owners were shown to have little or no idea of how to deal with the pandemic, many were just investors who were just in it for the money. In a few homes staff recognised the problem and lived in the homes rather than going home. The blame cannot be laid solely at the door of the government. The last pandemic the UK had to deal with was in 1918 and nobody could have predicted the onslaught of covid. So easy to be wise after the event, like Captain Hindsight. What a good opportunity to bash the government. I have yet to hear how any other party would have dealt with it,

Germanshepherdsmum

It amazes me that care homes seem to accept no responsibility.

As I understand it, care homes, especially if they were looking after local authority funded patients, had no choice in the matter. I will see what I can find to back this up

Germanshepherdsmum

It amazes me that care homes seem to accept no responsibility.

They didn't have a choice. A great deal of pressure was brought to bear and the promised PPE did not turn up.

Just how blind are the followers of this FRNL government prepared to be to support their Gods?

The situation in Scotland was highlighted at the time.

It’s easy to be wise after the event.

Im sorry there are two threads but didn’t want to delete now there are so many replies. Pity we can’t amalgamate them.

Paddyann the facts are all there. You may not like them but they exist. A simple Google will show you. Nicola has already apologised (as usual). There will be an investigation which will kick the can down road (as usual)

MissAdventure

There was a woman who 'kidnapped' her mum, and a big old stink was kicked up about it.

Yes I remember that. It was as if the home “owned” her mother it was a disgrace.

There was a woman who 'kidnapped' her mum, and a big old stink was kicked up about it.

They were MissAdventure.

On 17 March 2020, Simon Stevens NHS CEO and Amanda Pritchard NHS COO wrote:

Last night the Government announced additional measures to seek to reduce the spread across the country. It is essential these measures succeed. However as the outbreak intensifies over the coming days and weeks, the evidence from other countries and the advice from SAGE and the Chief Medical Officer is that at the peak of the outbreak the NHS will still come under intense pressure.

This letter therefore sets out important actions we are now asking every part of the NHS to put in place to redirect staff and resources, building on multiple actions already in train.

....

Community health providers must take immediate full responsibility for urgent discharge of all eligible patients identified by acute providers on a discharge list. For those needing social care, emergency legislation before Parliament this week will ensure that eligibility assessments do not delay discharge. New government funding for these discharge packages and to support the supply and resilience of out-of-hospital care more broadly is being made available. (See section 6f of this letter). Trusts and CCGs will need to work with local authority partners to ensure that additional capacity is appropriately commissioned. This could potentially free up to 15,000 acute beds currently occupied by patients awaiting discharge or with lengths of stay over 21 days.

We all know that care home staff were hung out to dry with no warning, no training and no PPE by a government which had known about asymptomatic transmission for two months.

I was thinking about this.

What about the care homes? is something that appears at least once in every discussion about Scotland's politics.

So it turns out Scotland and England were doing the exact same things. Seems that we took responsibility for it long before Hancock and that lot did, if they even have yet. Can we stop picking on Scotland now, please?

I was under the impression that homes were more or less "forced" to accept people back into their care?

As they have WORLDWIDE Avaline Nicola Sturgeon like the rest of the world was doing what the scientists told her was best .You cant help yourself can you? You should get a job with the BBC,they love people who can spin everything to SNP BAD !!

It amazes me that care homes seem to accept no responsibility.

I suspect that Nicola will be shaking in her stilettos. Discharges to care homes in Scotland have been found to have led to thousands of deaths.

even if the people had been tested - it would have been results for that day. Like a MOT it is just on that day. How many people have been told negative despite symptoms and when positive and no symptoms? The issue though is lack of PPE

Baggs

Good question, eliz27. I doubt anyone in government has the authority to interfere in hospital discharges. They certainly shouldn't have such authority.

The government told hospitals to clear wards, and requested care homes to take the elderly. I distinctly remembering the alarm that people voiced. All ignored.

It was known in January 2020 that asymptomatic transmission was happening. I posted about this on the other thread.

www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/world/europe/coronavirus-spread-asymptomatic.html

Johnson lied in PMQs

Germanshepherdsmum

It wasn’t known at the time that you could have covid but be asymptomatic.

Yes it was

It wasn’t known at the time that you could have covid but be asymptomatic.

I was there too at the time - hospital staff were acting under guidance from Public Health and the Government, and were under huge pressure to empty beds for the anticipated deluge of Covid patients. It was policy to discharge patients to care homes if they had no symptoms, tests just weren’t available initially.