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A thought for both republicans and monarchists...

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thatbags Thu 07-Apr-16 08:56:59

The argument you doubt, ww (it is a weird concept, I agree, and so would the person who said it) is that the countries with the freest and most open societies in the world have monarchies. It stands all right wink and, yes, people in those societies are freer than US citizens.

That's not saying that people in all monarchies are freer than in those in all republics. It's saying that the freest people in the world are in countries with monarchies.

rosesarered Thu 07-Apr-16 08:56:46

It's an interesting thought, that needs to be thought about before answering.Am not a monarchist myself, but am not a violent hater of it either, just think it has had it's day.As another poster said, it's what you put in it's place.The President of the USA has become like royalty , Presidents of France, and Germany less so.

Izabella Thu 07-Apr-16 08:56:08

At the moment we are freer than the rest of Europe as we are not subject to Napoleonic law. That is one of the fundamental challenges the proposition of EU laws bring. We were granted freedoms in Magna Carta that still stand in law today. Not sure I understand the US laws but having spent so much time in "the land of the free" it sure don't feel as if it is particularly free.

whitewave Thu 07-Apr-16 08:47:57

So are we freer than French citizens orGerman citizens or USA citizens. Not sure that argument stands at all.

obieone Thu 07-Apr-16 08:46:10

Perhaps it is because it causes some people to defer, that it helps.
The Prime Minister has to go to the Queen every week. She doesnt go to see him on a regular basis!
Famous people go to get knighted.

obieone Thu 07-Apr-16 07:59:17

My mum has been saying the same, about royalty and God for decades. I dont think the quote was from her!

Iam64 Thu 07-Apr-16 07:53:41

What an interesting point of view expressed there bags. My initial response was to see images of say East Berlin, North Korea where all was to be real with no nonsense. Nonsense would include the monarchy and faith I suppose. I'm not a monarchist but the older I get, the more I'm persuaded by the what would we put in its place argument. Plus, I do enjoy a bit of pomp and circumstance, all the Queen's horses do look glorious don't they.
I do believe we all need to suspend belief a bit occasionally and just enjoy whatever the day brings rather than trying to fit everything into neat boxes.

thatbags Thu 07-Apr-16 07:15:12

put, not out!

Grr. I did some corrections too!

thatbags Thu 07-Apr-16 07:14:39

...and people like me who are somewhere in between the two absolutes. I heard a podcast today in which this was said:

"Countries that have kings and queens, which are rationally stupid, weird ideas, are empirically freer and more socially just than countries that don't".

What followed was fascinating and I'll post a link anon but I wanted to post the quote without saying where it was said or by whom so that people could think about it on its own merits before being subject to what sometimes seems like the inevitable bias that knowing who said it often imposes.

The quote is a statement of what is in fact true: an empirical truth rather than a rational truth.

In short, what do people think of the idea as it stands?

I've out it in the Culture Forum because it's about how we think and how we speak about things, which are central to our culture.