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Oscar Wilde Would Turn In His Grave......

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mae13 Sat 21-Sept-24 15:28:52

I think this is the correct category-here goes: todays Guardian has a photo of a new Oscar Wilde sculpture, described by his grandson as "hideous". Too darn right! It's lying on it's side with chunks sliced out of the head and face.

It's a disaster......what's going on with those who call themselves artists? A couple of weeks ago we had the 'joke' Queen and Prince Philip statues that were utterly appalling and laughable now a shabolic poor old Oscar Wilde has been visited on us by Aliens, I assume.

Ye gods! (I wonder who's paying for it?)

hollysteers Fri 10-Jan-25 20:18:24

Nureyev’s tomb in France.

hollysteers Fri 10-Jan-25 20:17:25

This is the most beautiful tomb I have ever seen for an artist

hollysteers Fri 10-Jan-25 20:14:04

Luckygirl3

It is clearly a symbolic representation of a genius laid low and cut to pieces by an intolerant society ....... grin

Yes 👍

Oreo Fri 10-Jan-25 13:30:12

Luckygirl3

It is clearly a symbolic representation of a genius laid low and cut to pieces by an intolerant society ....... grin

By Jove! I think you’ve got it, only the face could be more of a likeness than it is.😄

Luckygirl3 Fri 10-Jan-25 09:26:02

It is clearly a symbolic representation of a genius laid low and cut to pieces by an intolerant society ....... grin

Oreo Fri 10-Jan-25 08:59:13

Indigo8

What is worse, a statue that is supposed to look like the subject but doesn't, or, a completely conceptual take on the subject?

The former.
But even the latter has to be understood by the viewer.

M0nica Fri 10-Jan-25 08:29:04

When DD was about 12, we went to the Tate Gallery to see an exhibition of, I think, Pre-Raphaelite art, Rossetti, Millaiss, Burne-Jones. Nicely figurative and a pleasure to look at.

We then wandered into a sculpture exhibition. It looked like broken bookcases made from multicoloured acrylic. Beside each 'creation' was a notice explaining to us what we were looking at and what it was meant to be.

My daughter came up with quite a profound statement, She said that if you do not know or understand what a work of art is until someone has written down an explanation then it is the piece of paper/plastic/board/stone the explanation is written on that is the work of art, not the sulpture itself.

I think this rule applies in this case..

Indigo8 Thu 09-Jan-25 09:44:02

What is worse, a statue that is supposed to look like the subject but doesn't, or, a completely conceptual take on the subject?

TheWeirdoAgain59 Thu 09-Jan-25 09:06:43

I've just Googled it and OMG!

Grotesque!

mae13 Thu 09-Jan-25 08:58:41

Well the 'artists' of recent years have created some outright howlers. There was, notably, an almost laughable creation which was alledged to be the late Queen but even worse are statues of famous sports people: Cristian Ronaldo's statue with a hideously manic expression (which was modified but only got worse) and an hilarious Harry Kane which he apparently tried to be kind about but that didn't stop the roars of laughter.

Who'd want to be famous?

hollysteers Thu 09-Jan-25 00:05:22

Allira

Yes, but he doesn't look very comfortable 😁

Is there a lake or a river below him? I'd be worried about him sliding in.

No lake or river, it’s in a park, very near his childhood home in Merrion Square.

Allira Wed 08-Jan-25 23:24:16

Yes, but he doesn't look very comfortable 😁

Is there a lake or a river below him? I'd be worried about him sliding in.

hollysteers Wed 08-Jan-25 22:29:31

Boz

I see this as a protest against the loss of erudite wit and humour in the World; toppled and shackled. Just a personal opinion of course.

I like your summation*Boz*, it makes sense.

I also like this more conventional sculpture in Dublin.

M0nica Wed 08-Jan-25 21:52:12

What is nevr explained is why Oscar Wilde is rperesented this way.

If there was somewhere to go to get an explanation of the sculptors thinking that might help, except that if that is necessary the sculpture is a failure, its meaning should be clear.

Mollygo Wed 08-Jan-25 21:18:29

Unless titled and accompanied by an explanation, the statue could just express the current view of what is allowed to be said and who is allowed to say it.
Modern art might have required him to be naked, posed and displaying all. I’ve heard that sort of painting praised.

Indigo8 Wed 08-Jan-25 20:02:49

I think Oscar Wilde would approve of all these sculptures on the basis of his maxim "There is only one thing that is worse than being talked about - not being talked about"

Oreo Wed 08-Jan-25 19:57:05

NonGrannyMoll

Well, I don't want to cut slices out of the views expressed here, but I find this sculpture interesting and thoughtful (as is Maggi Hambling's). Of course, it won't find its way onto the lid of a chocolate box and nobody will make a fridge magnet out of it, but then popularity isn't really what makes art art, is it?

I would agree but… the passerby must be able to recognise who it’s supposed to be to make sense of it.

NonGrannyMoll Wed 08-Jan-25 19:49:07

Well, I don't want to cut slices out of the views expressed here, but I find this sculpture interesting and thoughtful (as is Maggi Hambling's). Of course, it won't find its way onto the lid of a chocolate box and nobody will make a fridge magnet out of it, but then popularity isn't really what makes art art, is it?

theworriedwell Mon 11-Nov-24 19:07:15

@Indigo8 yes that one. I can't believe how truly awful it is. The one this thread is about is nowhere near as bad. In my opinion as some people probably love it. All I can say is should have gone to Specsavers.

Oreo Mon 11-Nov-24 18:30:00

🤣
Now that I must see!

Indigo8 Mon 11-Nov-24 18:04:30

The one that makes him look as if he is made of pasta and emerging from a coffin?

theworriedwell Sun 10-Nov-24 19:55:58

Well Oscar wasn't actually conventional so maybe he'd have loved it. As tragedies go I think he would probably have more to worry about than a statue although personally if I was him I'd be much more upset by the Maggie Hambling one, called something like A Conversation with Oscar Wilde and it is truly hideous.

Indigo8 Sun 10-Nov-24 19:17:51

The artist Sir Eduardo Paolozzi died in 2005 before he was able to complete the casting. The work has only recently been completed and exhibited using his notes and preliminary work. It is now on view in Chelsea.

Wyllow3 Sun 10-Nov-24 15:01:03

Yes, I saw toppled and shackled too, but it reminded me of all those statues toppled during the Cold War broken up, no signage indicating silencing wit and literacy, love, fun.

JaneJudge Sun 10-Nov-24 14:53:07

it looks like Earl Spencer