Low fat or Low carb - so confusing!

I am off to eat a Huge sausage roll and a very cheesy looking cheese scone. (why do bakers shops on holiday always look better than the ones at home?)

I'm off to look for the new gun bun fight.

Maggie

Perhaps it is time for plain speaking, especially from GPs, rather than tiptoe around the issue of obesity, even when it has lead to life threatening illness.

As for people feeling insulted, have your say by all means, but then get over it and stop harking on.

This thread has been surreal!

GJ And now some of you are using this thread to be nasty to a couple of newbies who dare comment. It is despicable. Shame on you.

What on earth are you talking about???
No-one has been nasty to anyone.
You, for some unfathomable reason, have chosen to feel insulted on behalf of goodness-knows-whom.
That's all.

Last post on this thread:

First of all, I'd like to repeat:

thank you Mamie- it is so nice and civilised when we can discuss things openly and without bias - merci.

Then repeat again, I was NOT personally insulted by the use 'porkers' - I merely said I felt it was inappropriate and unhelpful in this discussion and when discussing obesity in general.

Jingl, I can only guess- but no I didn't know about 'that' meaning. 'porker' used affectionately for a chubby baby in the 80s was cute- to describe overweight people, it is not. And I do like pigs, very much. But you all know that, don't you?

And now some of you are using this thread to be nasty to a couple of newbies who dare comment. It is despicable. Shame on you.

For me, cutting carbs totally would be extremely difficult, so I try to cut all unrefined carbs and cut down portions and pad out with more veg. And of course cut unhealthy fats- I do not like the idea of 'eat as much fat as you like' - but go for small portions of good quality tasty cheese, and have gone back to a little butter instead on unsatisfying low fat spreads- and the best quality meat we can get locally, in small portion. The doctor told me he was amazed that despite me being overweight (and yes, officcially obese- although it does not show as much as on other people due to good active muscles) I have low blood pressure and pulse, low cholesterol and very healthy heart. Partly genetic I suppose. However, he told me that he has had several young diabetics WHO HAVE DIED AND LOST SIGHT AND LIMBS - because of the attitude of people towards their weight- as insulin does make you put on weight- because they are called 'porkers and lard arse' by cruel idiots who should know better. One 16 year old died here the other day, as she stopped taking her insulin so she would lose weight- and stop the names and stares. It's tragic. Shame on those who made her feel dying was better than the words... shame.

I think so too, jings. There's a new bunfight thread just starting.

No!!! Only a BUN fight!

Sometimes I think people actually want to start a "gunfight", so that they can sit back and enjoy.

Re the other sideline topic of this thread, I think that telling people one's offended/insulted is attention-seeking behaviour. I know I'm going to get slammed for saying that but it's what I think when it is between mere acquaintances, as most of us are to most of the other gransnetters. Different if one's nearest and dearest is deliberately mean. Deliberately is the key word there.

Whoever suggested we lighten up on "that kind of thing", I agree, we should.

That's true bags.

I agree about sugar, wilma. It does seem to be the least necessary item in our diets. <says she munching a cranberry and white choc chip cookie>

But, yes, I'm trying to reduce my sugar intake too. It uses up calories that would contain more actual nutrients.

I Mean - it's horses for courses. (whatever that means )

Re choice of dictionary, it depends on the word. I didn't expect to get that meaning from the English Oxford.

I like that elegran. I'm with Humpty Dumpty.

PS elegran I like the conversation between Humpty and Alice (doesn't rhyme though )

thatbags of course you are right about it not being as simple as my flippant post implies. Personally I like the Slimming World eating plan which is an 80/20 plan with minimal food counting, but now I can understand the relationship between the food groups much better than when I was younger. The one thing I do try to do is eat some protein with every meal. I learnt that tip from my 80 year old FIL who is a long time insulin dependent diabetic.

At the moment I am trying to reduce the amount of sugar in our diet. We've already done salt, but sugar is much harder. It's everywhere and I have a sweet tooth which doesn't help. A move away from processed foods makes a difference, but tbh I don't find this particularly convenient because I don't enjoy cooking. So glad we enjoy salad all year round.

Sorry. Just logged on and have not yet returned to the main theme of the thread.

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

The reader can make a word mean whatever they want to, as well as the writer. Context is all - and for most of us grans the Dictionary of Urban Slang is not our primary source of word meanings.

I only ever lose weight on a low carb diet but I also think age has something to do with it. I could pack away the bread, rice, potatoes and pasta when I was younger - especially when that F Plan diet was all the rage but nowadays I feel terrible if I waver off the low carb path.

I'd say lighten up but jingl doesn't like it.

Oop! Crossed something out.

Bye-ee.

Shall we get back to the original discussion. It is possible you know.

And, by the way, threads wander. They are supposed to. Just wander them back again. and don't be a misery

Ta ta