Are you a secret Mounjaro user?

I agree and in no way am I saying people are not finding it a miracle but there are no miracle cures and yes people do lie or manipulate to get what they want A work colleague wanted bariatric surgery her doctor clearly told her she wasn’t fit or well enough to have it so off she went to Turkey luckily for her she’s alright but these short cuts aren’t always safe and yes people do cut corners, sometimes lie, or move the truth and an online check up just isn’t enough
If it’s done through a consultant or GP with regular checks great but to buy over the counter is a truly major wrong move in my opinion and the start of a slippery slope and shouldn’t be encouraged by non medical people on sites like this
Goodness I can’t even buy more than two packets of paracetamols over the counter but I can buy injections of a fairly new drug without even seeing a doctor Wow

Taking Mounjaro when you don’t need it can lead to several health risks and side effects.

Such as:

*Hypoglycaemiaç: One major risk is hypoglycaemia3. Mounjaro lowers blood sugar levels. If your body doesn’t need this effect, you could experience dangerously low blood sugar. Symptoms include dizziness, confusion, and fainting. In severe cases, it can lead to seizures or even coma.

*Gastrointestinal issues*: Mounjaro can cause nausea, vomiting, and diarrhoea3. For diabetic patients, these are side effects which the benefits outweigh. For someone misusing the drug, it can be debilitating.

Pancreatitis: This is a potentially life-threatening condition. Mounjaro has been linked to an increased risk of pancreatitis3. The symptoms are severe abdominal pain and persistent vomiting. If left untreated, it can lead to serious complications.

*Gallbladder problems*: The drug can also increase the risk of gallbladder disease3. Symptoms include intense pain in your upper abdomen, fever, and jaundice.

So its use has to be closely monitored.

Primrose53

Doodledog

BlueBelle I realise the paracetamol comparison was daft, but had a 'senior moment' and couldn't think of any other OTC medicines .

My point, though, is that anything OTC has to be safe to get a licence, and as the OP says, the weight loss drugs have to be 'prescribed' by an online pharmacist anyway. This should rule out their going to people with contraindications (unless they lie, which is a different issue).

Fleurpepper, with all due respect, saying that your husband's friend says so is not really an explanation of how drugs are denied to one group because they are available to another.

Also, and more generally, people who are morbidly obese are, by definition, at risk of death if they don't lose weight, so are arguably in as much need as diabetics. Comparisons like this do suggest that the overweight are seen as less worthy than those who haven't 'brought it on themselves', which is very wrong, IMO and represents the thin end of a dangerous wedge - where do we draw a line to separate the 'deserving' from those whose lifestyles contribute to their illness? Some diabetics have the condition because they are overweight anyway.

But it’s not the morbidly obese who are buying them. I know of people locally who are on them and are just in the overweight category.

There were women on TV and in magazines recently who just want to drop any amount of weight, even half a stone. They just lie when they order them online.

The procedure needs to be tightened up.

That is is the issue- I also know several women who are buying it- lying on the online site, and who are not even overweight- but no longer a size 10 (but 12 or 14- so very 'normal').

And of course it is good to talk, but also good to be honest and look at all aspects- not just what one wants to hear and justification.

👏🏻 HousePlantQueen

Doodledog

I don’t take it, Oldcodger, but fully understand where you are coming from about the judgement that surrounds weight issues. There is a prevailing attitude that seems to conflate them with moral failings, and far too many people willing to give unqualified opinions about the ‘right’ way to lose weight, which they think should involve sacrifice and discomfort.

Good luck with your journey.

I agree, and applaud Oldcodger for coming on GN to talk about it, and sympathise with her difficulties in telling anyone other than her DH. As we have seen on many threads about weight gain/loss over the years on GN, there is a great deal of judgement, and even more 'helpful' advice about eating less. Good luck, it is obviously working for you oldcodger, please continue to post and share your experience.

Doodledog

BlueBelle I realise the paracetamol comparison was daft, but had a 'senior moment' and couldn't think of any other OTC medicines .

My point, though, is that anything OTC has to be safe to get a licence, and as the OP says, the weight loss drugs have to be 'prescribed' by an online pharmacist anyway. This should rule out their going to people with contraindications (unless they lie, which is a different issue).

Fleurpepper, with all due respect, saying that your husband's friend says so is not really an explanation of how drugs are denied to one group because they are available to another.

Also, and more generally, people who are morbidly obese are, by definition, at risk of death if they don't lose weight, so are arguably in as much need as diabetics. Comparisons like this do suggest that the overweight are seen as less worthy than those who haven't 'brought it on themselves', which is very wrong, IMO and represents the thin end of a dangerous wedge - where do we draw a line to separate the 'deserving' from those whose lifestyles contribute to their illness? Some diabetics have the condition because they are overweight anyway.

But it’s not the morbidly obese who are buying them. I know of people locally who are on them and are just in the overweight category.

There were women on TV and in magazines recently who just want to drop any amount of weight, even half a stone. They just lie when they order them online.

The procedure needs to be tightened up.

''Fleurpepper, with all due respect, saying that your husband's friend says so is not really an explanation of how drugs are denied to one group because they are available to another. ''

read again please, DH confirmed, from his medical experience, what somebody's friend said. Not at all the same.

And yes, that it needs very careful monitoring. People will lie on online sites to fit the criteria too.

There was a doctor on TV the other day who specialises in weight loss. He said people on these drugs need careful monitoring - regular blood tests etc. This doesn't happen if bought online.

BlueBelle I realise the paracetamol comparison was daft, but had a 'senior moment' and couldn't think of any other OTC medicines .

My point, though, is that anything OTC has to be safe to get a licence, and as the OP says, the weight loss drugs have to be 'prescribed' by an online pharmacist anyway. This should rule out their going to people with contraindications (unless they lie, which is a different issue).

Fleurpepper, with all due respect, saying that your husband's friend says so is not really an explanation of how drugs are denied to one group because they are available to another.

Also, and more generally, people who are morbidly obese are, by definition, at risk of death if they don't lose weight, so are arguably in as much need as diabetics. Comparisons like this do suggest that the overweight are seen as less worthy than those who haven't 'brought it on themselves', which is very wrong, IMO and represents the thin end of a dangerous wedge - where do we draw a line to separate the 'deserving' from those whose lifestyles contribute to their illness? Some diabetics have the condition because they are overweight anyway.

It is Grannynannywanny it is prescribed for type 2 diabetes my close friend is Type2 very overweight and was prescribed them by the GP however she didn’t lose any weight and he stopped her prescription
I think this is a very dangerous line to cross and shouldn’t be encouraged on here
Sorry Doodlebug but this do people go to the GP before buying painkillers or other OTC drugs? is a daft comparison
Paracetamol have been around for ever and no as I said further up there are medications that won’t be sold over the counter of well know Pharmacies I have been refused Chloraphenicol eye drops and water infection tablets ( because of my age)
It is just like all the stop smoking , use a vape advertising that went on, now a few years down the line they are finding the dangers of vaping but too late they are already used by thousands hourly.
Someone has already died surely it should be prescribed only

Oldcodger
Mounjaro is solely prescribed for weight loss and not to diabetes patients

According to Diabetes.uk it’s prescribed to treat patients with type 2 Diabetes.

www.diabetes.org.uk/about-diabetes/looking-after-diabetes/treatments/tablets-and-medication/glp-1/mounjaro

Good luck to you. Personally, it would terrifying me taking any drug from an online pharmacy.

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'I don’t think that buying OTC gets in the way of diabetics getting prescriptions either. I’m happy to be corrected on this by someone who knows the system, but I don’t think the supply chain works like that?,

yes, it does.

Other OTC drugs have been tested and proven for a very long period of time before being made available without seeing a doctor or prescription. No comparison there.

'My friend is a retired Diabetes Specialist Nurse and says people using these for purely weight loss are preventing diabetes patients as there is now a shortage.'

yes, it does.

This exactly what DH said 'My friend is a retired Diabetes Specialist Nurse and says people using these for purely weight loss are preventing diabetes patients as there is now a shortage.'

My friend tried them via Boots chemist as the GP refused to prescribe them as she had already had a very expensive gastric bypass on the NHS.

She has done SW countless times over several decades, WW a few times, cambridge diet, had hypnotherapy, counselling, tried every diet, pill and potion. She lost weight with the bypass but put it all back on over time. The jabs, she lost a small amount then put weight back on.

75% of people on these jabs regain their weight.

My friend is a retired Diabetes Specialist Nurse and says people using these for purely weight loss are preventing diabetes patients as there is now a shortage. She also says that she is very concerned that you can get them from pharmacies etc because if you are a smoker or drinker or have certain illnesses these jabs can have bad side effects. A nurse died recently after taking just two injections.

They will have been deemed safe before being allowed to be sold OTC. Do people go to the GP before buying painkillers or other OTC drugs?

I don’t think that buying OTC gets in the way of diabetics getting prescriptions either. I’m happy to be corrected on this by someone who knows the system, but I don’t think the supply chain works like that?

Yes aldom that is my point exactly it is being sold over the counter to anyone who asks without a consultant or GP s advice Drugs normally have to go through the hoops of years of testing to be approved but these are being given to customers without it seems any medical checks
Doesn’t that seem very concerning
It could be fantastic news but are you comfortable with the way it’s being given to anyone asking or willing to hand over their £179

Given the recent publicity about this drug, including at least one death), I would be extremely wary of trying it. I nearly died after being prescribed a drug for RA by my consultant and that was one, which was deemed safe.

Multiple comorbidities, high pain levels and side effects of medication caused me to pile on weight.
I have managed to lose a stone, by trying to become more mobile and active (not easy) and changing my diet. My diet was always reasonably healthy, but my downfall was my penchant for chocolate, crisps etc.
It has taken a long time and I intend to keep trying. I feel so much better.

BTW, this is not intended to sound smug nor be a criticism of people, who are overweight. I know how miserable I felt, when I saw a wee, fat woman looking back at me from the mirror.
However, I would never consider trying an over the counter drug, without at first checking with my GP .

I should add, for weight loss, as opposed to diabetes control.

I have looked online and find several pharmacies, including Boots, ASDA and Lloyd's who offer Mounjaro to suitable candidates.

I m not judgemental of weight issues at all I m not a skinny manny myself but i am always worried about ‘miracle cures’ that seem to arrive quickly it doesn’t appear to be on prescription other than for people with type 2 diabetes so all the people buying it themselves over the counter I think is very concerning (and advertising it on here too)
Drugs can and do have side effects not always at the time of taking and I’m amazed that you can go into a high street pharmacy and buy needles and meds over the counter when I recently got grilled and refused well known eye drops for an eye infection by a well known high street store ! To me it doesn’t make sense

I don’t take it, Oldcodger, but fully understand where you are coming from about the judgement that surrounds weight issues. There is a prevailing attitude that seems to conflate them with moral failings, and far too many people willing to give unqualified opinions about the ‘right’ way to lose weight, which they think should involve sacrifice and discomfort.

Good luck with your journey.

Funny, I skipped past your post, I thought you were talking about being some sort of secret cannabis user as hadn’t heard of this drug!