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Whatever happened to Adult Education classes?

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MargaretX Mon 11-Feb-13 10:00:19

I taught German in Stockport and Manchester and the evening schools were teeming with people at 7 p.m. when I arrived. That was in 1990.
During that time things started to disintegrate. I was told by the Head not to teach grammar as that frightened pupils off. 'just conversation'
Of course we all ignored her as you can't teach just conversation to adults. To pick up a language through conversation you have to be a child. The students were not there for enjoyment, they were businessmen, who realised that doing business in Germany speaking only English was a sure way not to get the best contract.
Then there had to be exams. So we had exams after two terms with no (official) grammar. What a fiasco!
I was relieved to get back to Germany where I taught English. I also taught 'The Cambridge Certificate of English', which the UK expect other nations to learn and ALL the grammar that belongs to the two year extensive course.
A lot of English people couldn't pass it and I have not heard that it has become simpler either.
I pay €95(£80) for evening French - with grammar- for one term. But there are only 5 in the class so we have fewer evenings. There has to be enough money coming in to pay the teachers who earn far more than the basic wage.

FlicketyB Mon 11-Feb-13 09:55:09

The labour government removed the funding for all courses that were not directly vocational and assessed.

I was a regular attender at classes run by the extra-mural departments of two local universities. One has shut down completely because the funding completely disappeared and the cost of classes therefore became so expensive attendance fell drastically. One day school I attended went up in price from £12.00 to £27.00 over 5 years and numbers attending halved.

The other university still runs a lot of classes but now the organisation is very formal. We have to write at least one essay every term have personal assessments and later get a certificate for how many CATS points we have earned. If we earn enough of these points they can be used towards the number of points you need to earn to progress from year 1 to year 2 of a first degree course. I now have enough of these certificates to paper my living room and skip the first year of about 5 different degree courses.

Elegran Sun 10-Feb-13 22:03:43

Move to Edinburgh and you will find plenty of courses.

Here is the web page

I go to the "Animals:twenty-first century zoo" one (have been going to courses at the zoo for fifteen years, and had no repeats, always interesting) and last term I went to lectures at Surgeon's Hall Museum, the home of the The Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh. Among the talks was one on the originals on whom Arthur Conan Doyle based his character Sherlock Holmes.

Lilygran Sun 10-Feb-13 21:49:19

absent grin

absent Sun 10-Feb-13 21:35:40

Lilygran Go and wash out your mouth with soap and water. grin

Lilygran Sun 10-Feb-13 21:29:08

Exactly! Whoever heard of learning stuff for enjoyment? Or for its own sake?

annodomini Sun 10-Feb-13 21:17:02

A good many years ago I tried to learn Italian at evening class. Every little bit of learning had to be ticked off in a box. Can you say your name?.... tick; where do you live? ....tick. This was an exercise to prove that they were awarding some kind of piddling qualification. This, to me, was an impediment to the flow of learning - and anyway the teacher was useless, so, for the first time ever I opted out of the class. The colleges can't call a class simply a leisure class - they have to have some kind of proof that the students didn't just do the course for enjoyment.

absent Sun 10-Feb-13 21:00:07

mrsmopp I taught English to immigrants, as a volunteer, in their own homes for some years and it was one of the most enjoyable and rewarding things I have ever done. I also taught a class of Chinese mums while their children were having lessons in Chinese calligraphy. I made loads of friends among a huge range of nationalities. If you have the opportunity, I urge you to go and do it. Unfortunately, I don't know of any such volunteer schemes where I live now.

Lilygran Sun 10-Feb-13 20:58:44

They redefined education as vocational training. In the 1990s.

HildaW Sun 10-Feb-13 20:28:12

The funding was axed quite a few years ago.

mrsmopp Sun 10-Feb-13 20:02:55

Yes, I think the government cut the subsidies a few years ago making the classes much more expensive. We used to pay £25 for a 10 week course. The cost went to to an amount most people could not afford, so classes closed or didn't run at all. Such a shame. I think it's a great loss. I'm retired now and would love the chance to try some new interests, meet new people, etc.

I suppose I could always go and help teach English to the immigrants.......

jennycockerspaniel Sun 10-Feb-13 20:02:36

There used be a reduced rate fir Senir Ctizens but that stopped I belong to the U3A and have a lot of interests we canjoin in I take poetry ,Play reading singing for leasureand outings at dor dor transport there is a yearly membership and £1 insurnce per class If you are interested there will be a local U3A near you snd they have a website hooe his helpd

absent Sun 10-Feb-13 19:56:10

W still have a reasonable range of classes for adults, from foreign languages to family history, but they are very much more expensive than they used to be. Also students sign up and then drop out – sometimes for a good reason, often because they just can't be bothered. There is a tipping point when too few students means the class isn't financially viable, so it's cancelled.

mrsmopp Sun 10-Feb-13 19:48:37

Not too long ago we could go to our local Adult Education centre and for a modest fee there was huge choice of classes, from GCSEs, A levels, Keep fit, photography, Art, the list was endless. There were sessions every morning, afternoon and evenings. It was very well supported, and there were long queues on enrolment days.
Now it's an English Language school for immigrants. That's it.
What went wrong?
We just don't realise what we have lost.