"post-truth&quo t; international word of the year

Fascism nearly won in one dictionary for word of the year. Instead, they chose surrealism.

theconversation.com/the-worlds-words-of-the-year-pass-judgement-on-a-dark-surreal-2016-70715

Does posttruth also include "misleading" parliament?
The government, Cameron's, that is, lied about the number of troubled families that had been helped by their scheme. They said 99% of families had been helped, but there was actually negligible effect.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/20/troubled-families-government-misled-public-99-success-claim-say-mps

"Misleading" us has nobody to blame for the lie.

Post truth has been going on since 2010 at least, and lots of people still believe the lie that Labour cannot control the economy, and that the Tories inherited a mess, possibly because their friends control the media.

skwawkbox.org/2013/08/05/international-recognition-of-what-we-always-knew-inherited-mess-myth/

skwawkbox.org/2016/12/11/while-watson-postures-on-fakenews-mcdonnell-tells-it-like-it-is/

www.reuters.com/article/us-regulations-mailbox-insight-idUSKBN13U16A

Reuters is asking HMRC about taxes, but we don't. Can't get info through FOI requests.

It seems like a classic example of 'post-truth' to me. She told a lie at conference and now she's telling the truth.

When will the other 'lies' from her Conference speech become the post truth I wonder? Namely...

When it comes to taxes we'll prioritize not the wealthy, but you.
When it comes to opportunity, we won't entrench the advantages of the fortunate few.
We will do everything we can to help anybody, whatever your background, to go as far as your talents will take you."

"In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

Is this post-truth politics, or did she just lie to get the job? Does Post-truth mean the same as post-trust?

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/21/theresa-may-force-firms-appoint-workers-boards-cbi

Post-truth is the fault of the liberal left. Digest and discuss. (Had to put that as this thread is in education.)

theconversation.com/the-surprising-origins-of-post-truth-and-how-it-was-spawned-by-the-liberal-left-68929

Ana, I am perfectly serious about the fact that Brexiteers fooled people into thinking that there were more foreigners taking our jobs than there really are.
Hard to tell what you are not serious about, but you are hardly ever serious anyway.

I didn't see the interview, but I can imagine what it was like, having read that interview. Steve Bannon and Breitbart are perfect examples of post truth politics, although they're quite mild in comparison with some. It's frightening that he will now be Trump's chief strategist, alongside Jeff Sessions as attorney general, although he was considered too racist to be a judge.

I hadn't heard of Milo Yiannopoulos, but he seems well-qualified to be a member of a truly bigoted post truth team. How about giving him the brief for women's rights? With Farage and Arron Banks as self-appointed ambassadors, what could possibly go wrong?

Post truth politics - women imagine racism, blacks imagine racism, there's no such thing as climate change - all 'proven' by post truth politicians. Yeah right!

PS. Juncker was the democratically elected Prime Minister of Luxembourg for 18 years. He then became President of the European Commission after being democratically elected by the European Parliament, which consists of democratically elected MEPs. Which post truth information led you to believe he wasn't democratically elected?

Did anyone watch the alarming interview on Channel 4 News between Cathy Newman and Milo Yiannopoulo, a senior editor on Steve Bannon's publication Brietbart? Bannon who is now Trump's chief strategist could employ Yianopoulo in the think tank.

Watch as he explains post truth politics. In the clips he rages against feminists/feminism among other issues and he's a sort of more outrageous Katie Hopkins.

Cathy Newman did well to contain him. I almost said control, but he was out of control. In my view, a vile mind uttering vile thoughts.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/milo-yiannopoulos-channel-4-cathy-newman_uk_582e0b40e4b0b8f7701070a5

Yes, I did realise you weren't serious durhamjen (although sometimes it's very difficult). Neither was I...sigh.

I thought a lot about my Brexit vote and decided that sovereignty was the issue here. I have no wish that the UK be subjected to the requirements imposed by the likes of Juncker who was, as far as I know , not placed there by any democratic process. The democratic procedure, as such, was imposed further down the chain when J-C's requirements could be amended to a degree.
As for immigration, that was another topic.
It would seem, anyway, that our government was not really prepared in the nane of the electorate for either the stay or go situation or appropriate preparations would have been made. Government officers were so sure, as ever, that they knew the answer to everything so did not prepare at all for the eventuality of a Brexit vote.
For earlier postings, I agree absolutely with Yorkshiregel, Joannewton46 and beammeup scottie.

Read the link, Ana, then you'll see it wasn't.
Brexiteers went on all the time about foreigners taking our jobs.

This is the relevant bit, just to save you saying you never read my links.

'Newspapers usually divide the rise in foreign-born workers by the rise in employment (in a given period) and come to this figure. But it is wrong.

For a start, official employment figures do not show how many new jobs went to foreign-born workers or to Brits. No such figures exist.

Secondly, a large proportion of the ‘foreign-born workers’ are actually British citizens. They were just born abroad! That brings the number down usually to about 50 – 60%, not 90%.

In other words, if Boris Johnson gets a new job, he is counted as a ‘foreign-born worker taking a British job’ by the press as he was born in the U.S.. It’s absurd! Especially as Boris Johnson doesn’t do that much work.'

Why not? Your statement was!

Don't be silly, Ana.

Why, how many of your jobs has he taken?

By the way, notice that Boris is a foreigner taking our jobs.

Is this post-truth politics?

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/11/here-is-why-newspaper-claims-that-most-new-jobs-are-going-to-foreigners-are-often-wrong/

It possibly managed to swing Brexit.

That's just 'fake news' dapnedill, not 'post-truth'.

The BBC is getting on my nerves big time; but that is a whole new thread.

Let's face it, most "news" these days consists of the latest doings of some celebrity most people have never heard of doing what most people have no interest in. Sadly the BBC leads the way in this. As for the latest incarnations of What the Papers Say - a collection of arrogant "journalists" sharing their worthless opinions on anything and everything; about once a month there is someone on who just might know something and say something important to listen to. To me post-truth just means lies.
Yes I'm getting to be a cranky old woman but I'm not alone.

Twitter has suspended a number of accounts, because they were spreading tweets which the originators knew weren't true and were deliberately intended to do damage, but were believed. Some of the tweets were outrageous, such as the one which claimed Michelle Obama is a man (and, yes, some people believed it). This is different from broadcasters giving air time to people who claim something which isn't true, but seems plausible.

It's post truth, Morgana. If you make something out to sound scientific, people are more likely to believe it's true. In the olden days, we just used to call it lying.

After the referendum, Arron Banks, founder and funder of Vote Leave, said ‘The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.’

Just as with advertising and marketing, these people don't care whether they tell the truth or give the whole picture, so to an extent it has become 'scientific' because it is quite deliberately planned to fool people, using market research and focus groups, etc.

These are politicians who just don't care if they tell the truth, which isn't the same as promising or predicting something which turns out to be undeliverable or wrong.

granta.com/why-were-post-fact/