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School staff not allowed to wear masks

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GagaJo Mon 10-Aug-20 13:28:41

At my old UK school (worked there until xmas), the staff have been made to sign a document to say that they will commit to NOT wearing masks in the classrooms or in school.

The rationale behind this is that the school will put all of the governments 'safety' measures in place, so it won't be necessary.

Which is obviously tosh. Children don't understand social distancing. The classrooms are small. To be safe, you'd need a maximum of 6 people in a room. Class sizes are usually 32/34. Even if the class sizes are halved, that isn't a safe ratio.

I feel so bad for my friends. US teachers are writing wills before returning to schools, just in case. Seems UK teachers will have to as well.

Lucca Mon 10-Aug-20 21:41:56

Callistemon

Lucca

eazybee

Where is the information about schools imposing a no mask rule?
I have searched online and cannot find anything other than a comment saying that at present the Government does not recommend the wearing of face masks in schools, but that was posted in July.

My information is purely from two teachers working at local school so straight from the horses mouth as it were.

But only two teachers in one school?
So anecdotal evidence.

The Governments last advice was that masks will not be mandatory.
The Children's Commissioner may advise that children should wear them.

Sorry I never said it was a government directive I was just giving an example of what the situation is in one school that I know. If that is anecdotal so be it.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 03:02:58

The Royal Society commissioned a report (the DELVE Initiative) called "Balancing the Risks of Pupil Return to Schools", which brought together many experts from different specialisms and considered the experience of other countries.
It was published on 24 July and the government claims to have studied its findings.

This is what it has to say about face masks in schools:

"The use of face coverings or face shields has not been recommended in the Government’s guidance for schools unless children or staff display symptoms of COVID-19 and if “direct personal care” must be administered on school grounds.

Although its use in younger children may not be practical or effective – emerging evidence suggests that there may be less viral transmission from children to adults and that the dominant mechanism in young children may not be from breathing, coughing or sneezing (see section 3b) - its use should be considered for all adults (teachers, non-teaching staff and parents at school) and older children in schools, especially if there is a high rate of viral transmission locally and physical distancing is not possible. In line with the Government’s guidance, this should include its use if public or school transport is used to travel to school.

The DELVE report on masks published in May recommends the use of face masks or face coverings to reduce onward transmission where physical distancing is not possible, especially in crowded places. This is based on the emerging scientific evidence that shows a decrease in the rate of coronavirus infections where mask-use is compulsory and its usefulness in limiting how far breath can travel. This advice should not be ruled out for schools.

Although not all countries in our international review appeared to make use of masks or face coverings in their schools, those with a relatively high number of COVID-19 cases recommended its use in areas where distancing is not possible or where mixing outside of class groups occurred, e.g. in some classrooms, hallways and on transport, in for example France, Switzerland and in Israel. More recently, in the US, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) have recommended the tailored use of masks and face coverings when schools open at full capacity in Autumn. The CDC has advised schools to teach and reinforce the use of cloth face coverings for staff and children –again, older children in particular – except those under the age of two years, those who are unable to remove the mask without assistance and those with breathing challenges.

There is some concern that the use of masks will impede learning. Research has previously shown that the observation of the face, including the mouth is an important tool for learning and language development. While this is important for young children, the use of face coverings will likely provide greater benefit at less risk to language development for older children in secondary schools.

(my bold)

The conclusion is to recommend face masks for all in secondary schools, but not primary schools.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 03:06:46

Lucca

Callistemon

Lucca

eazybee

Where is the information about schools imposing a no mask rule?
I have searched online and cannot find anything other than a comment saying that at present the Government does not recommend the wearing of face masks in schools, but that was posted in July.

My information is purely from two teachers working at local school so straight from the horses mouth as it were.

But only two teachers in one school?
So anecdotal evidence.

The Governments last advice was that masks will not be mandatory.
The Children's Commissioner may advise that children should wear them.

Sorry I never said it was a government directive I was just giving an example of what the situation is in one school that I know. If that is anecdotal so be it.

I have also read comments from teachers claiming that face masks are to be banned in their schools. Anecdotal admittedly, but so are many of the comments on GN.

Ellianne Tue 11-Aug-20 07:34:39

What about in the staff room then? That area is more dangerous for teachers than in the classroom. According to Chris Whitty it wasn't in the actual factory that the virus was transmitted, it was in the rest rooms where all the workers got together.

Ellianne Tue 11-Aug-20 07:36:44

I feel so bad for my friends. US teachers are writing wills before returning to schools, just in case. Seems UK teachers will have to as well.

Crazy comment. Everyone with any sense should have a will anyway.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 07:48:28

Ellianne

What about in the staff room then? That area is more dangerous for teachers than in the classroom. According to Chris Whitty it wasn't in the actual factory that the virus was transmitted, it was in the rest rooms where all the workers got together.

I've been told by a teacher friend that staffrooms will be out of bounds if two metre social distancing can't be maintained.

Ellianne Tue 11-Aug-20 07:51:46

Aha, sensible answer to my question.

Ellianne Tue 11-Aug-20 07:55:57

I feel so bad for my friends. US teachers are writing wills before returning to schools, just in case. Seems UK teachers will have to as well.

And to the OP who likes anecdotal information .... my son in law has written a will, but he DOES have a very dangerous job. His best friend was killed in an explosion in Southern Afghanistan. Please do not make teachers out to be such heroes in the line of duty.

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:07:08

Op who likes anecdotal information? Do you mean GAgajo?

I dont remember anybody suggesting teachers were heroes. Where was that ?

Firecracker123 Tue 11-Aug-20 08:09:46

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

Ellianne Tue 11-Aug-20 08:16:36

Ok Lucca her own personal "take" on the subject of writing wills, from comments she gleaned from her two mates.

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:17:08

Firecracker123

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

????
Fabulous well-reasoned. In-depth comment

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:18:49

Firecracker123

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

What are you on about? They are going "back" to school - in fact, most of them never left. They are and have done the job they're paid to do.

Firecracker123 Tue 11-Aug-20 08:27:11

Thousands of children and my grandchildren have had no contact with their teachers and no support.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:30:00

They've been very unfortunate. Every pupil I know has had support and contact with his/her school.

PS. Anecdotes are apparently out of favour on GN today.

Firecracker123 Tue 11-Aug-20 08:31:55

08:17Lucca

Firecracker123

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

????
Fabulous well-reasoned. In-depth comment

Does it make you feel big and important Lucca to try and belittle another poster how sad.

Harris27 Tue 11-Aug-20 08:33:32

I work in a nursery and haven’t worn a mask or been offered I dint think it would work with young children were having to get the. Back safely and doing everything possible to make them welcome and safe. Hand washing after all activities and presenting a normal day in this way. I don’t feel compromised it’s something we have to live with this is the job I do and I have to get on with it.

Kittye Tue 11-Aug-20 08:37:44

Firecracker123 My daughter-in-law never stopped !

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:39:40

Firecracker I assume your grandchildren's parents contacted the relevant schools and asked why work and support wasn't being provided.

PS. Did you wake up on the wrong side of bed or are you always looking for aggro?

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:43:21

Harris It's been shown that nursery age children don't spread the virus that much. That changes as children get older and teenagers shed as much viral load as adults. There are some details in the excerpt from the report I posted above.

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:46:41

Firecracker123

08:17Lucca

Firecracker123

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

????
Fabulous well-reasoned. In-depth comment

Does it make you feel big and important Lucca to try and belittle another poster how sad.

No more than it makes you feel good to belittle teachers.

If your GC had not contact that’s very bad and as Growstuff says the relevant schools should have been contacted obviously.

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:50:02

More light heartedly....on the subject of school contact a young friend of mine was struggling to get her 12 year old to complete and submit the work being set. The headteacher phoned her out of the blue and expressed concern that work was not being done. My friend said “oh that’s good my daughter is right here you can speak to her “...........??

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:52:06

Kittye

Firecracker123 My daughter-in-law never stopped !

Sadly you can say this until blue in the face, there are those who refuse to understand that most teachers never stopped “working”.

B9exchange Tue 11-Aug-20 08:56:59

I still don't understand why I am apparently safe to spend all day in the pub getting blotto, with no requirement or suggestion to wear a mask, but schools are much more risky places? And large lofty cathedrals even more so, only 1 metre apart in shops, schools and pubs, but two metres and fully masked in a church? There just doesn't seem to be any logic to any of this?

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:58:56

I took on an online pupil a few weeks ago, whose anxious mother was complaining that no work had been set (private school).

During my initial meeting with the pupil, I asked him how the school contacted him. He didn't know. I went on to the school's website and found the link to the school's intranet. I couldn't access it because I didn't have a password, so I asked this pupil to access his account and tell me what was on there. His mother was sitting next to him and I could see her face becoming redder. The boy hadn't even bothered to look.