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School staff not allowed to wear masks

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GagaJo Mon 10-Aug-20 13:28:41

At my old UK school (worked there until xmas), the staff have been made to sign a document to say that they will commit to NOT wearing masks in the classrooms or in school.

The rationale behind this is that the school will put all of the governments 'safety' measures in place, so it won't be necessary.

Which is obviously tosh. Children don't understand social distancing. The classrooms are small. To be safe, you'd need a maximum of 6 people in a room. Class sizes are usually 32/34. Even if the class sizes are halved, that isn't a safe ratio.

I feel so bad for my friends. US teachers are writing wills before returning to schools, just in case. Seems UK teachers will have to as well.

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 09:17:51

My post addressed to Firecracker obviously

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 09:17:11

(You just said that) ... but also did you contact your GC school about lack of work set ?

GagaJo Tue 11-Aug-20 09:16:44

* incorrect apostrophe autocorrect not me!

Firecracker123 Tue 11-Aug-20 09:13:42

Are we not allowed to criticise teachers on this site or express an opinion. Teachers are not above criticism they are no different than other workers. All this fuss about whether they should wear masks or not just do the job you are paid for like millions of other workers have been during the covid crisis.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 09:10:40

GagaJo

rs-delve.github.io/reports/2020/07/24/balancing-the-risk-of-pupils-returning-to-schools.html#2-opening-schools-safely

If the link doesn't work Google "Royal Society DELVE Initiative Balancing the Risks of Pupils Returning to Schools".

Hope that helps!

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 09:08:36

B9exchange It's nuts, isn't it?

Here's a picture of Johnson in a school. The teacher seems to be showing how close pupils will need to sit to each other. There will be two pupils at each table. The picture shows a primary school, but there would be even less space in a secondary school because the pupils are bigger. You can also see in the picture that the table and chair at the back are pushed against the cupboard. With children on those chairs, the tables would need to be pushed forward and there would be even less spacing.

The space isn't the only issue. Most classrooms are poorly ventilated. You only only have to go into a classroom and smell the BO at the end of five hours to realise that rancid air has been circulating all day. Morever, pupils will not generally be moving around, so will stay in the same environment all day.

Current guidelines state that people should be two metres apart or one metre if wearing masks. They are also advised not to stay more than fifteen minutes in close proximity to another person.

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 09:03:56

The ones I know had to teach online set and mark work throughout and the quality of this distance teaching was checked by SLT

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 09:01:12

Expect this was quite common !!

GagaJo Tue 11-Aug-20 09:00:43

Growstuff, can you include a link to the report that advises masks be worn in secondary please? I'll send it to my friends.

Firecracker123, YOU need to stop wingeing about things you're wrong about. The two friends I've quoted worked all the way through the last term, in school.

Why didn't you or your family go into the school's to ask for work OR complain to the headteacher? As a teacher, I know teachers in a lot of schools. They all were required to provide work. Perhaps the parents/grandparents should have done a bit of parenting and got it sorted out.

Ellianne, staffrooms mostly don't exist anymore. Smaller workrooms for 3 to 6 teachers have replaced them in the last 3 UK schools I've been into.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:58:56

I took on an online pupil a few weeks ago, whose anxious mother was complaining that no work had been set (private school).

During my initial meeting with the pupil, I asked him how the school contacted him. He didn't know. I went on to the school's website and found the link to the school's intranet. I couldn't access it because I didn't have a password, so I asked this pupil to access his account and tell me what was on there. His mother was sitting next to him and I could see her face becoming redder. The boy hadn't even bothered to look.

B9exchange Tue 11-Aug-20 08:56:59

I still don't understand why I am apparently safe to spend all day in the pub getting blotto, with no requirement or suggestion to wear a mask, but schools are much more risky places? And large lofty cathedrals even more so, only 1 metre apart in shops, schools and pubs, but two metres and fully masked in a church? There just doesn't seem to be any logic to any of this?

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:52:06

Kittye

Firecracker123 My daughter-in-law never stopped !

Sadly you can say this until blue in the face, there are those who refuse to understand that most teachers never stopped “working”.

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:50:02

More light heartedly....on the subject of school contact a young friend of mine was struggling to get her 12 year old to complete and submit the work being set. The headteacher phoned her out of the blue and expressed concern that work was not being done. My friend said “oh that’s good my daughter is right here you can speak to her “...........??

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:46:41

Firecracker123

08:17Lucca

Firecracker123

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

????
Fabulous well-reasoned. In-depth comment

Does it make you feel big and important Lucca to try and belittle another poster how sad.

No more than it makes you feel good to belittle teachers.

If your GC had not contact that’s very bad and as Growstuff says the relevant schools should have been contacted obviously.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:43:21

Harris It's been shown that nursery age children don't spread the virus that much. That changes as children get older and teenagers shed as much viral load as adults. There are some details in the excerpt from the report I posted above.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:39:40

Firecracker I assume your grandchildren's parents contacted the relevant schools and asked why work and support wasn't being provided.

PS. Did you wake up on the wrong side of bed or are you always looking for aggro?

Kittye Tue 11-Aug-20 08:37:44

Firecracker123 My daughter-in-law never stopped !

Harris27 Tue 11-Aug-20 08:33:32

I work in a nursery and haven’t worn a mask or been offered I dint think it would work with young children were having to get the. Back safely and doing everything possible to make them welcome and safe. Hand washing after all activities and presenting a normal day in this way. I don’t feel compromised it’s something we have to live with this is the job I do and I have to get on with it.

Firecracker123 Tue 11-Aug-20 08:31:55

08:17Lucca

Firecracker123

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

????
Fabulous well-reasoned. In-depth comment

Does it make you feel big and important Lucca to try and belittle another poster how sad.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:30:00

They've been very unfortunate. Every pupil I know has had support and contact with his/her school.

PS. Anecdotes are apparently out of favour on GN today.

Firecracker123 Tue 11-Aug-20 08:27:11

Thousands of children and my grandchildren have had no contact with their teachers and no support.

growstuff Tue 11-Aug-20 08:18:49

Firecracker123

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

What are you on about? They are going "back" to school - in fact, most of them never left. They are and have done the job they're paid to do.

Lucca Tue 11-Aug-20 08:17:08

Firecracker123

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.

????
Fabulous well-reasoned. In-depth comment

Ellianne Tue 11-Aug-20 08:16:36

Ok Lucca her own personal "take" on the subject of writing wills, from comments she gleaned from her two mates.

Firecracker123 Tue 11-Aug-20 08:09:46

Teachers need to get back to school, stop whinging and do the job they are being paid for.