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Scylla and Charybdis

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Esspee Thu 22-Oct-20 18:01:41

When Boris referred today to travelling a middle course between Scylla and Charybdis little did he realise that he leads a country which has been so poorly educated that most of them hadn’t a clue what he was referring to.
I bet a high proportion of us over 70s understood him perfectly.

lemongrove Thu 22-Oct-20 21:11:31

Grandma70 She went into sixth form at Headington School and then Oxford University I read. Not that it matters.

Davidhs Thu 22-Oct-20 21:00:29

I’ve always been interested in history, Greek mythology has figured in that, Helen of Troy, Achilles, Paris and all that lot, questions come up on quiz shows quite often. So, Scylla and Charybdis is well known, BJ would have done better to have said “Devil and the Deep Blue Sea” but plain talking and honesty does not come easy to him.

In my book after a very slow start they are doing as well as anyone would, probably they need to lock down completely like Wales. There are far, far too many flouting the rules and not taking Covid seriously, time to stop socializing

Grandma70s Thu 22-Oct-20 20:59:08

lemongrove, Margaret Thatcher didn’t go to school in Oxford! She went to a grammar school in Lincolnshire, where she grew up. She went on to the University of Oxford, yes - but she wasn’t a schoolgirl there.

sparklingsilver28 Thu 22-Oct-20 20:56:36

PECS - She was committed to a version of Britain she wanted

Your comment interesting! I would say she was committed to a Britain she understood it to be and hence a woman of her time. Something I understand, since I also see Britain through my experience of life and hence why now an alien in a country I do not recognise.

Grandma70s Thu 22-Oct-20 20:52:44

It’s a normal sort of expression to me. I wouldn’t use it to children, but he wasn’t talking to children. I think it’s general knowledge.

(I am not pro-Johnson, by the way.)

varian Thu 22-Oct-20 20:50:15

There are many branches of science, but a scientific education involves understanding evidenence, cause and effect and the interconnexion of the many branches of scientific knowledge.

lemongrove Thu 22-Oct-20 20:42:45

Margaret Thatcher attended a prestigious girls grammar school in Headington ( Oxford) and thence to an Oxford College.Am not sure she was any more or less intelligent than Johnson, but would have studied both Latin and Greek there or certainly Latin, and Greek myth and performed Greek plays.As Spangler says, Johnson had an education in the classics, and therefore supposes everybody knows what he knows.He misjudges the audience as kitty says.

PECS Thu 22-Oct-20 20:42:22

I don't think Thatcher really was commited to the British people . She was committed to a version of Britain she wanted and desired power & control.

Callistemon Thu 22-Oct-20 20:37:05

The way you spelt it, it looks like a disease, LadyStardust!!

sparklingsilver28 Thu 22-Oct-20 20:35:20

Varian Margaret Thatcher was a woman of her time and her commitment to Britain rock solid. Unlike John Major she would not have given the country away via the Maastricht Treaty. You might not agree with her politics, but by golly when she said something she stuck with it and for that I admired her.

LadyStardust Thu 22-Oct-20 20:34:53

See? I can't even spell it, never mind know what it is!

LadyStardust Thu 22-Oct-20 20:34:21

Scylla and Charybdia. I thought it was a thread about plants. blush sad smile

Callistemon Thu 22-Oct-20 20:32:46

a proper scientific education

But there are many branches to science.

lemongrove Thu 22-Oct-20 20:32:38

vampirequeen

I had to look it up. I didn't learn Greek or Greek mythology. However I received an excellent education. Then inability to speak Greek or have a limited knowledge of Greek mythology doesn't make someone poorly educated.

Quite so!

Hetty58 Thu 22-Oct-20 20:28:24

varian:

'He should be sent back to school for a proper scientific education'

No, it'd be a waste of taxpayers' money - and just

'projicere margaritas porcis'

Spangler Thu 22-Oct-20 20:25:22

Callistemon Thu 22-Oct-20 20:11:41
A moot point, Spangler as it neglects the Arts and the Classics.
It was a set up, but nobody fell for it. Rats.
Margaret Thatcher graduated in Chemistry & Law.

varian Thu 22-Oct-20 20:24:31

Perhaps BJ's bufoonery is a double bluff. He is not pretending to be a bufoon. He actually is a bufoon.

sparklingsilver28 Thu 22-Oct-20 20:22:18

BJ's buffoonery a clever cover for not answering the question or subject being addressed to him.

varian Thu 22-Oct-20 20:21:49

I didn't know that BJ had degrees in s science and law, like Margaret Thatcher. She went to a state school, and ended up with a much better education, although she did get a lot wrong when it came to politics.

MissAdventure Thu 22-Oct-20 20:20:55

Nope.
Never heard of any of it.

sparklingsilver28 Thu 22-Oct-20 20:16:34

My seventeen-year-old GS reading Greek mythology as part of his A Level English Literature Course and loves it all. I did ask him the other day why as he is studying English Literature no English authors in the reading list. He said if it had been Jane Austen or Shakespeare he might well have considered giving up. I have to admit both bore me silly!

Callistemon Thu 22-Oct-20 20:11:41

A moot point, Spangler as it neglects the Arts and the Classics.

Spangler Thu 22-Oct-20 20:10:23

varian

Let's just have a better definition of a good education.

Ancient Greek and Latin, but no science or maths beyond O level is not a braid education.

How about university degrees in science and law, is that a good education?

grannyqueenie Thu 22-Oct-20 20:10:07

Indeed suziewoozie, just a wee bit elitist methinks and sign of how out of touch with the majority he really is!

Callistemon Thu 22-Oct-20 19:54:42

between a rock and a hard place

Is that ok?