Why do British royal children not go to state schools like the Scandanavian royals?

Lucca

Sorry meant to say not discuss anything that doesn’t affect us ??
H and M for example…..what celebrities do say or wear ?

It would be wonderfully peaceful if people did stop discussing such things on GN. In "real life" we can avoid such people. On GN, if it goes under "Chat", we can also chose not to read it. Under "Education", it becomes a general discussion on Education; in this case whether choices should be limited by law - they can't be limited in any other way.

I really expect to see a discussion one day about, say, Christmas Cakes, with someone feeling the need to drop in the comment that "all our Christmas Cakes would be okay if we got rid of the Royals".

It's intensely boring, but gossip, including nasty, spiteful gossip, is part of life, it seems.

volver

happycatholicwife1

My children went to public and private schools for different reasons at different times. My grandchildren went to public schools and two of them all the way from Kindergarten through Senior High School in private school. Private schools which they attended were Catholic. Sorry, Volver, but I disagree with you. I don't see a thing wrong with sending your children to private school if it meets your values and needs for your children. Some people respond generously here on this issue, and a few people seem mainly to be jealous.

You are perfectly entitled to disagree with me. You don't have to apologise for it.

You are not entitled to call people who fundamentally disagree with your values "jealous". That demonstrates a rather undeveloped understanding of people's motivations.

I absolutely agree with Volve's second paragraph. Having read the thread, there haven't been any statements on it in relation to the choice of private education that I would have baulked at, except the attestation that a few people mainly seem to be jealous of that option, which comes across as just smug and rather shocking!

As far as the subject matter up for discussion turning into a long thread, I think the OP has posed a fair question, why not?

I remember at one of the post natal groups I went to many years ago, I got friendly with a German girl, she was having her second baby, I my first, she was a bit further down the line with child related subjects that were thrown up at the sort of get togethers one goes to at those times in our lives. I remember she said this "why are so many in this country so fixated on private schools" something I was to discover further down the line, she went on to say "this is not a thing in Germany, very few would consider such an option we all have faith in the state system" Well of course something like only 7 per cent of pupils go through the private system, but because when they come out the other end they make up 50 per cent, I think I read, of top positions across the professions, I think anyone could be forgiven for perceiving that statistically those people represent far more than a meagre 7 per cent. I think what most people wish for is a system that is far more egalitarian that my German companion spoke about.

What was the point of your post then Calendargirl?

To mock people for talking about it?
To try to make people feel small about the thread?
To try to prevent people talking about it?
To try to make us think such discussions are beneath you?I

If someone has a strongly held belief about something, that doesn't mean there is bad feeling. Bad feeling arises when some posters imply that we should give it a rest and accept whatever we're told to

I often think ‘so what’ about many things discussed on GN. Volver.

Probably because so many of them seem to cause bad feeling, as evidenced by any thread to do with the Royals.

But yes, it doesn’t mean we aren’t bothered, just that it doesn’t alter anything.

Calendargirl

16 pages on this subject.

Won’t make a ha’porth of difference to anything.

The Cambridges can (and will) send their children to whichever schools they want, despite what any GN’er might think about the rights and wrongs of it.

Doesn’t actually affect any of us, does it?

I did wonder why now such big discussion and am inclined to agree that it is because it sits badly with the cost of living currently going through the roof. The thing is though, I doubt whether there will be many notices handed in to the bursar when these schools go back next week. Even with the increase in school fees. Parents will find the money from somewhere.
Also the Cambridges are moving into a new phase in their lives and each chapter gets a new write up.

Sorry meant to say not discuss anything that doesn’t affect us ??
H and M for example…..what celebrities do say or wear ?

Calendargirl

16 pages on this subject.

Won’t make a ha’porth of difference to anything.

The Cambridges can (and will) send their children to whichever schools they want, despite what any GN’er might think about the rights and wrongs of it.

Doesn’t actually affect any of us, does it?

Well,by that token we shouldn’t bother discussing anything we can’t actually change.?, fuel,prices ? Brexit ? Social care ?

So what?

Should we just not be talking about it?

Should we just tug our forelocks and be thankful our betters are getting what they want while we turn the heating down a bit?

16 pages on this subject.

Won’t make a ha’porth of difference to anything.

The Cambridges can (and will) send their children to whichever schools they want, despite what any GN’er might think about the rights and wrongs of it.

Doesn’t actually affect any of us, does it?

happycatholicwife1

My children went to public and private schools for different reasons at different times. My grandchildren went to public schools and two of them all the way from Kindergarten through Senior High School in private school. Private schools which they attended were Catholic. Sorry, Volver, but I disagree with you. I don't see a thing wrong with sending your children to private school if it meets your values and needs for your children. Some people respond generously here on this issue, and a few people seem mainly to be jealous.

You are perfectly entitled to disagree with me. You don't have to apologise for it.

You are not entitled to call people who fundamentally disagree with your values "jealous". That demonstrates a rather undeveloped understanding of people's motivations.

Happycatholicwife1, we do what is best for our children. It doesn’t stop us having principles like wanting the best education for all in just the same way that our principles don’t stop us having the best digital equipment we can afford to allow us to post on here, whilst knowing that others have neither the money for the device nor the time to use it.
It’s what we do with those principles to make a difference to the provision of the best education for all, not just saying it is a basic right, which is something we all agree with.

Education should be a basic right .like a roof over your head,food on your table and shoes on your feet.

And they are examples of, ‘You get what you pay for.’

Happycatholicwife and some of us adhere to our principles ...and they dont involve education being a commodity to be bought instead of the right of every child whether their families have money or not.
Education should be a basic right .like a roof over your head,food on your table and shoes on your feet ...

My children went to public and private schools for different reasons at different times. My grandchildren went to public schools and two of them all the way from Kindergarten through Senior High School in private school. Private schools which they attended were Catholic. Sorry, Volver, but I disagree with you. I don't see a thing wrong with sending your children to private school if it meets your values and needs for your children. Some people respond generously here on this issue, and a few people seem mainly to be jealous.

Sorry, I mean by Friday 2nd September 2022.

It's a long time since I left skool.

Bridgeit

In reply to the Original question I ask ……. For whom would it be be ‘Better for?’

Who knows?

Would having George, Charlotte or Louis at the local state primary improve the lives of any child at school in the UK?
If so, how?

Please submit your reasons for and against and suggestions for improvement to James Cleverly, Secretary of State for Education, by Friday 5th September 2022 at the latest as he may be out of post on Monday 5th September 2022.

Why is it rude? You say what you think and I say what I think. I am just very interested in the day to day life of other grans and I find much to admire!

In reply to the Original question I ask ……. For whom would it be be ‘Better for?’

What was it Maybee?

DaisyAnne

If you feel the need, please do. And I will track each time you have been personally rude to others. You seem to think we work on a do as I say, not as I do rule.

I am not "victimising" you; I am replying. You (and others) post, and I (and others) reply. Or isn't that how it works?

Done.

DaisyAnne

If you feel the need, please do. And I will track each time you have been personally rude to others. You seem to think we work on a do as I say, not as I do rule.

I am not "victimising" you; I am replying. You (and others) post, and I (and others) reply. Or isn't that how it works?

Can I just say that I was very upset last night by your misinterpretation of something that I had said. So much so that I considered taking some time out from the forum.

If you feel the need, please do. And I will track each time you have been personally rude to others. You seem to think we work on a do as I say, not as I do rule.

I am not "victimising" you; I am replying. You (and others) post, and I (and others) reply. Or isn't that how it works?

DaisyAnne

volver

It has more to do with parental input, support and expectations.

My parents were not academic at all. They expected me to be a teacher or a civil servant. They supported me in everything. Had I not gone to a good school and had teachers to support me, I would have been like that librarian character in "Its a Wonderful Life".

School saved me and it saved my DH. Both of us are sort of "Rocket Scientists", although I know you hate me boasting Callistemon ?

Your post tells us how great you found your education. What it does not tell us is your target for future education in this country and how you would intend governments to achieve that target.

If you (and your DH) are "sort of Rocket Scientists", you would know that you must plan, that you must model what the outcomes may be and that you need to have done an impact assessment. If those who suggested we could improve education for all by closing independent schools gave an outline along those lines, their ideas might be taken seriously. My brother is a "sort of" nuclear physicist. Thank heavens his education taught him to think things through.

DaisyAnne this is starting to feel like victimisation. If it continues I will report you.

LucyW

I taught in state primary schools for over thirty-five years and both my children attended state schools. However, had we been able to afford it private schooling would have been our preferred option. Smaller class sizes, excellent extracurricular activities, etc. I have taught in some excellent state schools but I have also seen the flip side - poor discipline, large classes, poor resources, etc. When I look at the opportunities my late husband had at his very costly public school I wish we had been able to do that for our children. The royal family choose to send their children to public school because most well heeled parents do plus there would be security issues in a state school.

but shouldn't make sure that this does not happen, for anyone

'' but I have also seen the flip side - poor discipline, large classes, poor resources, etc.''

some countries do invest much more in education, for all, as a choice. Because they know this is the best way to ensure social stability and hope for the future. And they are not extreme left wing either.

volver

^It has more to do with parental input, support and expectations.^

My parents were not academic at all. They expected me to be a teacher or a civil servant. They supported me in everything. Had I not gone to a good school and had teachers to support me, I would have been like that librarian character in "Its a Wonderful Life".

School saved me and it saved my DH. Both of us are sort of "Rocket Scientists", although I know you hate me boasting Callistemon ?

Your post tells us how great you found your education. What it does not tell us is your target for future education in this country and how you would intend governments to achieve that target.

If you (and your DH) are "sort of Rocket Scientists", you would know that you must plan, that you must model what the outcomes may be and that you need to have done an impact assessment. If those who suggested we could improve education for all by closing independent schools gave an outline along those lines, their ideas might be taken seriously. My brother is a "sort of" nuclear physicist. Thank heavens his education taught him to think things through.