Why do British royal children not go to state schools like the Scandanavian royals?

Oh dear!

It's allegorical

And we are going to get a long way towards a more equal society with that way of thinking aren't we paddyann [rolls eyes]

I have no problem with people spendng their money their way BUT I firmly believe that a good education is a right and that it should be supplied by the government after all its the public who gain from well educated young people.
You say that as if nobody else believes that. Not true. I firmly believe that as well.

Who has said that they don’t firmly believe that a good education is a right and that it should be supplied by the government? Did I miss those posts?

Obviously, Mollygo

Good education for all is a right, thecgovernment should supply it to be available to all. However, if some decide they prefer not to take advantage of a government-provided service and to pay for a private one, that is their prerogative.

Some state schools may be better than some private schools but what the dissenters are saying is that this can never be the case.

So, where do the dissenters stand on grammar schools and academies?

Surely selection at 11+ for selective schools gives some pupils an advantage?

Well if you did, Molly, you’re not alone.

Obviously, Mollygo

That was sarcasm, btw!!

You can't miss something that was never there.

Germanshepherdsmum

Well if you did, Molly, you’re not alone.

Definitely not alone.

Thus far I have resisted using the word "sympathy" in this discussion, but without sounding superior, I really do sympathise with parents whose children receive a poor education. That could be my child, or my grandchild, and I know how frustrated and irritated I would feel about others receiving privileges.
It's not as though anyone here is being purposely blind to the challenges faced by schools in the state sector, nor being unconcerned nor being uncaring, nor advocating the only way to go is private.

And sometimes arrogance can be mistaken for confidence.

..... or the other way round!!

Callistemon21

I rather fancy these and a parka for £4,500 for this winter but can't afford them. Should I stop others buying them because they can but I can't?

This post is so incredibly wrong and an absolute ridiculous comparison. And so rude and uncouth- to compare boots to a good education, same as it would with healtcare.

But if you want to talk about boots- I'd say that every child is entitled to a pair of boots which keep them dry, and are comfortable. And a parka that will keep them dry and warm.

You yourself were very aware of this when you posted, I am sure.

As for 11+, many counties have done without for a very long time, and quite rightly so. Proper streaming per individual subject is the way forward, and has been, as said above, in many areas since the 80s.

Fleurpepper

Callistemon21

I rather fancy these and a parka for £4,500 for this winter but can't afford them. Should I stop others buying them because they can but I can't?

This post is so incredibly wrong and an absolute ridiculous comparison. And so rude and uncouth- to compare boots to a good education, same as it would with healtcare.

But if you want to talk about boots- I'd say that every child is entitled to a pair of boots which keep them dry, and are comfortable. And a parka that will keep them dry and warm.

You yourself were very aware of this when you posted, I am sure.

???

Sometimes some of these threads go round and round in circles and some of you take yourselves so seriously it brings out the ridiculous.

This is a chat forum, we are not advising the D of E.

You yourself were very aware of this when you posted, I am sure

Of course I was!

We're just parents, grandparents (well not all of us of course) posting on Gransnet.

Will it change anything?
No.

And so rude and uncouth
???

Fleurpepper, Callistemon’s post was lightheartedly demonstrating that money gives choice, and if you have money you are entitled to choose how you spend it. She didn’t compare boots with education and she is, in my experience, never rude or uncouth.

Thank you Germanshepherdsmum

Germanshepherdsmum

*Fleurpepper*, Callistemon’s post was lightheartedly demonstrating that money gives choice, and if you have money you are entitled to choose how you spend it. She didn’t compare boots with education and she is, in my experience, never rude or uncouth.

Exactly. We’ve established that we all want a good, well funded state education system.
But as soon as you start limiting freedom of choice with what to do with your money-or any other freedom of choice, where will it stop?
And you’re right about Callistemon21, GSM.

Thank you Mollygo

I think the point was missed.

Everyone should have equal rights and opportunities, every child deserves a good education (as I have said previously) but
egalitarianism should not be taken to extremes.
It doesn't work in practice as has been evidenced in other countries.

Well I am glad it was meant as 'light-hearted'- but sorry, this is a very important subject, which truly is close to my heart. I certainly did not advocate egalitarianism, at all. Where did I do that? Nowhere, nowhere at all.

And yes, can't help it, I did find the comparison cheap, unfair and unpleasant- and really not acceptable as a comparison. And as such, not really a matter for joking. Leave it at that.

I expect my comment last night just added to the light hearted post, but yes the thread was going round in circles. A poster had already given us a list, on page 2 I think, of luxury items people shouldn't be stopped from spending their money on because others can't - yachts, posh cars, and even designer clothes were mentioned, so Callistemon's post was in the same vein. The point was we make choices, including paying for a private education, if we are lucky and have some disposable income, and that should remain. Life isn't equal or fair, but the label "rude and uncouth" here is unfair and way off the mark.

Thanks Joseanne

but sorry, this is a very important subject, which truly is close to my heart

Are you suggesting the rest of us don't care about education?
If so you are wrong.

And yes, can't help it, I did find the comparison cheap, unfair and unpleasant- and really not acceptable as a comparison

You're still taking it seriously then?
Really?

Sometimes you either laugh or you cry …

Joseanne

I expect my comment last night just added to the light hearted post, but yes the thread was going round in circles. A poster had already given us a list, on page 2 I think, of luxury items people shouldn't be stopped from spending their money on because others can't - yachts, posh cars, and even designer clothes were mentioned, so Callistemon's post was in the same vein. The point was we make choices, including paying for a private education, if we are lucky and have some disposable income, and that should remain. Life isn't equal or fair, but the label "rude and uncouth" here is unfair and way off the mark.

Yes, I am still taking seriously. And you are again comparing luxury goods, like boots, yachts and posh cars- with other totally non comparable 'not' things- like education, or health care.

I absolutely don't care what people spend their money on- but there is NO comparison at all between the two categories above. And trying to turn it all in a joke in jest- is just so wrong, and not very far off the mark, at all.

A decent education, and good basic healthcare- are basic human rights, not expensive toys or gadgets.