Why do British royal children not go to state schools like the Scandanavian royals?

Callistemon21

^Where have we seen any concrete facts to show this to be true? We only have one country as an example of what some want to be imposed on parents in this country. It appears all is not well with it^

I agree DaisyAnne, that is the fact, that there we only have one country as an example

In fact, that is not strictly true either as it is apparently a myth perpetuated on social media that private education is banned in Finland.

Mar 11, 2022, 14:17 PM
Since August 2020, more than 18,000 users have shared on social media claiming that private education in Finland is “forbidden” , “eliminated” or “abolished” . In September 2021, it circulated again, but it is false: Finland does have private schools. What is prohibited is basic education for profit.

Reetta Niinimäki, assistant attaché at the Finnish embassy in Spain, explained to AFP Factual: "Private education is not prohibited in Finland, but for-profit basic education is . "

There are private international schools in Helsinki and other centres, for ex-pat and Finnish children, tuition is free of charge in some.

I did think of checking if it was true Callistemon but decided life is too short; my time today certainly is.

That doesn't disabuse the fact that people were calling for what they believed to be true. A system where no private education was legally not allowed.

I would guess, and that is all it would be, that many independent schools are "not for profit" or could move to that status. I would question (and many do) if Academies are really "not for profit" or if they manipulate the law using high salaries, etc.

Germanshepherdsmum

Those who choose to send their children to independent schools are also funding the state system through taxes. I see no problem with having the right to choose, or deliberately making that choice mire difficult by taking away charitable status and imposing VAT. That would merely flood our already oversubscribed state schools with more children, and cruelly disrupt the lives of those children whose parents are currently managing school fees but could no longer do so.

No, it wouldn't. It's not difficult to provide more places. There are in total enough places. The problem is that pushy parents move heaven and hell to get their children into certain schools which are seen as more desirable, so they become oversubscribed.

How about making it a human right to give the parents of every child enough money to exercise their choice to send their offspring to private schools?

Sorry! A system where no private education was legally not allowed.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

Those who choose to send their children to independent schools are also funding the state system through taxes. I see no problem with having the right to choose, or deliberately making that choice mire difficult by taking away charitable status and imposing VAT. That would merely flood our already oversubscribed state schools with more children, and cruelly disrupt the lives of those children whose parents are currently managing school fees but could no longer do so.

No, it wouldn't. It's not difficult to provide more places. There are in total enough places. The problem is that pushy parents move heaven and hell to get their children into certain schools which are seen as more desirable, so they become oversubscribed.

We've seen that happen with politicians.

However, I don't know how that works because LAs use strict criteria regarding catchment areas.

Oh I dont think we will get far if this is based on a concept of 'winning the thread' daisyanne, there is generally no winning with regard to internet debates. I did put forward some analysis of the impact private schools have on our public institutions, and of perpetuating a class system within the country.

I did think of checking if it was true Callistemon but decided life is too short; my time today certainly is

A quieter day here today, DaisyAnne!
So far.

No, it wouldn't. It's not difficult to provide more places.
Yes it is.
There are in total enough places.
Evidence?

Now we’re into the realms of no one, either richer or poorer parents having a right to choose which school their child is going to attend.

However, I don't know how that works because LAs use strict criteria regarding catchment areas.

You stand a better chance of getting the school of your choice if the child has SEND or is a ‘looked after’ child. Both those criteria come before living in the catchment area.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

Those who choose to send their children to independent schools are also funding the state system through taxes. I see no problem with having the right to choose, or deliberately making that choice mire difficult by taking away charitable status and imposing VAT. That would merely flood our already oversubscribed state schools with more children, and cruelly disrupt the lives of those children whose parents are currently managing school fees but could no longer do so.

No, it wouldn't. It's not difficult to provide more places. There are in total enough places. The problem is that pushy parents move heaven and hell to get their children into certain schools which are seen as more desirable, so they become oversubscribed.

"Pushy parents" ... and this is not a culture war?

You stand a better chance of getting the school of your choice if the child has SEND or is a ‘looked after’ child. Both those criteria come before living in the catchment area.
Sorry, should have said this may not apply in all areas, but certainly does for schools I’ve taught in or been a governor at.

Happy start at your new school to George, Charlotte and Louis.
And to all children returning to school, may your days be full of fun and discovery!

I second your post Joseanne school life is an adventure, full of learning, friendship and new experiences.

GrannyGravy
School life certainly ought to be
an adventure, full of learning, friendship and new experiences
I'm not sure it always IS.

NotSpaghetti

GrannyGravy
School life certainly ought to be
an adventure, full of learning, friendship and new experiences
I'm not sure it always IS.

The inappropriate laying of blame is either laziness, simple nastiness, or ignorance. School life is certainly not always easy. Neither these children, or their parents are to blame for what is available to children in the STATE system. The STATE, i.e., governments are.

George, Charlotte and Louis do not deserve an attack based on who their parents are or what their parents chose for them. It reminds me of the nasty bullies I came across. Those who attacked the smaller children because they were, or were not, Officers' children.

I don't think a single poster has "picked on" the children in the state schools. The responsibility for their schooling lies with their parents and the government.

I wish these children peaceful, joyful learning. I would also wish them the absence in their lives, for as long as possible, those who, through their ignorance, would blame them and wish them ill for things they have no control over.

Because they intend to maintain their extensive privilege over the general population.

varian

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are about to send their three children to a private school near their new home in Windsor at a reported cost of over £50 pa just for the fees.

Would it not be better for them to send them to the local primary school?

www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/daniela-elser-kate-and-williams-kids-enrolling-in-ritzy-new-school-is-tone-deaf/HM2K3IDGIS3T3QG2WXLV67FIEU/

At £50 per annum (sic) I should think most parents could afford that!

Of course they want to perpetuate the class system. They ARE the class system.

My child would send his children to private if he could afford it and he has no interest at all in perpetuating the class system.

This is an old thread.

Kim19

My child would send his children to private if he could afford it and he has no interest at all in perpetuating the class system.

He hasn't made the connection between the two.

Grantanow

Kim19

My child would send his children to private if he could afford it and he has no interest at all in perpetuating the class system.

He hasn't made the connection between the two.

We used a combination of stare and private education for our five children.

We have in no way perpetuated the class system

Sparklefizz

This is an old thread.

Yes - it's old news so why did anyone resurrect the thread?

ritzy new school 😂😂😂
I expect the last thing the school is is ritzy
Makes it sound like a nightclub.

The answer to the question in the thread title is "Because they are not Scandinavian royals and the traditions, history and reality of the British educational system - all of it, public school, private and State - is not the same as the Scandinavian education system"

Demands for British royalty to transform themselves into Scandinavians, and for the entire tradition of who sends their children to which kind of school to be reversed are not going to happen overnight. Republicans, anti-monarchists and levellers might wish it could, but like all social change, it will happen gradually and in digestible stages.

The Wales children are going to a private school at a cost of £50 a year instead of to incredibly exclusive and divisive public schools whose prices I don't know and care to ask. That is stage one. When they do well there,(as they will, they are all intelligent and personable youngsters, and well brought up) it will encourage their parents to move on to stage two and so on.

Be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Mollygo

Why do any parents send their children to private schools?

Why shouldn't they. Labour MPs also send their children. Its called choice, my granddaughter moved to a private school because of the terrible teaching and poor discipline in her state school. She excelled there. Why wouldn't you give children the best chance. Some really good state schools, some really dreadful ones, feel sorry for the children wanting to learn, amongst those who can't be bothered.

varian

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are about to send their three children to a private school near their new home in Windsor at a reported cost of over £50 pa just for the fees.

Would it not be better for them to send them to the local primary school?

www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/daniela-elser-kate-and-williams-kids-enrolling-in-ritzy-new-school-is-tone-deaf/HM2K3IDGIS3T3QG2WXLV67FIEU/

It is totally a security issue.