We have pooled thoughts on the NHS, how about education?

Sorry there's not much whiskey left at the bottom. I drank it to fortify me!

volver

Well you'll have to stop reading Caleo's posts then, if it's them that are tedious.

I don't think exclusive two person chats work well on public social media.

Oh dear. Misinterpretation again.

I didn't say Caleo is tedious.
That was quite clear.

(I seem to be giving you a break, Joseanne, Mollygo et al. It's my turn in the barrel 😂😂😂)

Actually the thickos and dimwits are very much the ones who fare well in private education. Teaching staff are very quick to intervene and support children who struggle. A bright child will do well whatever type of school they attend, even if they were to sit in the garden shed for their lessons.

Norah

Callistemon21

Fee-based schools are benefited an estimated £3 Billion a Year by their tax exemptions. That could fall to the state schools.

Other reports estimate £1.7 billion.

🤔

Of course - lots of estimates. Could still fall to State schools.

I don't disagree about the charitable status but the amount is debatable.
Why do they have charitable status?

Of course, if independent schools lost their charitable status the fees would go up and they would probably not offer scholarships and bursaries to pupils whose parents couldn't afford the fees.

The money would disappear into a government black hole, the number of pupils in state schools would increase and possibly no-one would benefit.

What benefits would be achieved by closing them down completely by law?
Where would the pupils be accommodated? Class numbers are excessive in some schools as it is.

Well you'll have to stop reading Caleo's posts then, if it's them that are tedious.

I don't think exclusive two person chats work well on public social media.

volver

Callistemon21

Same principles.

(And do give it a rest, it's tedious now)

You finding it tedious? Well stop reading my posts then. I'll live.

Well, I was chatting to Caleo in fact.

🙂

tapestryfrog

What about private/charitable special needs schools, or places like the Royal Ballet School - should they also be included in the removal of charitable status/closed?

I don't know, interesting question.

Norah
Of course - lots of estimates. Could still fall to State schools.
Could, but would it? What makes you think that?

Probably.

What about the special needs pupils whose parents don't have enough money to help them? Do we just shrug and say "Tough luck. Shouldn't be poor then"? Or expect them to rely on charity?

Callistemon21

^Fee-based schools are benefited an estimated £3 Billion a Year by their tax exemptions. That could fall to the state schools^.

Other reports estimate £1.7 billion.

🤔

Of course - lots of estimates. Could still fall to State schools.

Norah
Loss of charity tax status won't "force" closure of fee-based schools.

Fee-based schools are benefited an estimated £3 Billion a Year by their tax exemptions. That could fall to the state schools.
It could? But would it?

What about private/charitable special needs schools, or places like the Royal Ballet School - should they also be included in the removal of charitable status/closed?

Callistemon21

Same principles.

(And do give it a rest, it's tedious now)

You finding it tedious? Well stop reading my posts then. I'll live.

volver

^Just as with state education it came down to how they had been treated and ingnored (sic) over the years.^

It's an eye opener to me that apologists for a system that thinks money should buy you a good education, cling to the illusion that were all stamping our little feet because we didn't get to take part in the system we despise.

And people who equate paying for education with academic excellence, ronib, are spectacularly misguided, and just plain wrong.

Elite education because you're clever? Good thing.

Elite education because you can buy your kids advantage in life, even if they are thick as mince? Not a good thing.

If children are as thick as mince, no amount of money will get them into an elite university. However, a satisfactory education might keep thick as mince out of jail and thickos might be encouraged to find their vocation in life. I am beginning to wonder what planet you inhabit?

Calistemon, adults should spend their hard-earned how they wish

I agree.

Calistemon, adults should spend their hard-earned how they wish. It's not big houses or other consumer goods that cause the rigidity of social class divisions.

It's essential that all children are allowed to share the same experiences during their formative years, according to abilities and personal talents. NOT according to how much money their family owns.

Norah

Loss of charity tax status won't "force" closure of fee-based schools.

Fee-based schools are benefited an estimated £3 Billion a Year by their tax exemptions. That could fall to the state schools.

Is that enough, Norah?

That figure could be disputed too.

Same principles.

(And do give it a rest, it's tedious now)

Callistemon21

Caleo

I want privately funded education of minors to be made illegal. Therefore I want considerably more than removal of charity status from private schools.

The foundation of social class upon money must be a thing of the past.

I want everyone to live in exactly the same type of house, earn exactly the same money, ride exactly the same bikes and wear exactly the same clothes.

But it ain't gonna happen

You are just being ridiculous and trying to make others look ridiculous too.

Won't work.

Just as with state education it came down to how they had been treated and ingnored (sic) over the years.

It's an eye opener to me that apologists for a system that thinks money should buy you a good education, cling to the illusion that were all stamping our little feet because we didn't get to take part in the system we despise.

And people who equate paying for education with academic excellence, ronib, are spectacularly misguided, and just plain wrong.

Elite education because you're clever? Good thing.

Elite education because you can buy your kids advantage in life, even if they are thick as mince? Not a good thing.

Caleo

I want privately funded education of minors to be made illegal. Therefore I want considerably more than removal of charity status from private schools.

The foundation of social class upon money must be a thing of the past.

I want everyone to live in exactly the same type of house, earn exactly the same money, ride exactly the same bikes and wear exactly the same clothes.

But it ain't gonna happen

Fee-based schools are benefited an estimated £3 Billion a Year by their tax exemptions. That could fall to the state schools.

Other reports estimate £1.7 billion.

🤔

I want privately funded education of minors to be made illegal. Therefore I want considerably more than removal of charity status from private schools.

The foundation of social class upon money must be a thing of the past.

Loss of charity tax status won't "force" closure of fee-based schools.

Fee-based schools are benefited an estimated £3 Billion a Year by their tax exemptions. That could fall to the state schools.

It would be even more so if we followed another part of Finish education system where government pays students a monthly allowance of about 500 euros (2021). The carrot is almost always more successful than the stick.
Interesting.
Which students get this award? From what age?
Is this 500€ means tested -dependent in family finance level?
What is it intended to achieve?
Students attend school consistently?
Students behave well in school making life better for conscientious students and easier for staff?
Students achieve higher marks?
Are any regulations about what the money is to be used for?
How much do you think students in the UK should receive?
How do you propose it should be organised. Would any of the questions I asked above be relevant?

Is the intention monitored to assess the value of the payment?
How would families using food banks feel about this payment?