Narcissistic adult children

Totally agree. Narcissistic adult children are the worst. It’s best to leave them and their families alone.
Instead focus on living a fun and full life of your own.
Everyone wins

I don’t think it’s upbringing..
My other children are not like it at all.
Pretty sure they were treated the same,

I'm inclined to go along with Gonegirl, genetic or upbringing.
Narcissism creates so many problems both for the sufferer as it's a mental health issue and also for families who have to endure the obnoxious behaviour.

I guess we put her self centred ness down to her deafness

I think this is definitely what I’m dealing with too smileless! Just can’t decide whether it’s both of them or just SIL.
D has always been quite self centred, but it’s only now it seems to have gotten this bad.

Oh yes Teachername definitely a miss use of the term in that example.

Well our ES's wife appears to be fine until she decides she no longer wants or needs you around Gonegirl. She has a history of this with her own P's and extended family members as well as friends.

With her P's and some extended family members, she severs contact, then resumes contact, then severs it and on it goes.

With us for which we are grateful, there's been no suggestion that she would ever want anything to do with us again. Which despite resulting in our estrangement with our son and only GC, is the better option for us.

But yes, I'd also agree that she's naturally bitchy.

Smileless2012, I was not implying that your DIL was slightly awkward, that was in reference to the overuse of the word autistic. Only the other day someone on the radio said that most men has autistic traits - just because her partner did not agree with everything she said!

Apologies if you took my comment in that way, I'm sure you have a genuine concern about your DIL.

Well, as you can see, I blame the parents. Either from the genes point of view or from the upbringing.

Are you sure they're not just naturally bitchy Smileless? Just to the people they are jealous of? To everyone else they may be just fine.

If only it were rare Teachernanne there wouldn't be so many cases of estrangement. It really does seem to be on the increase although goodness knows why.

I can assure you that our d.i.l.'s behaviour could never be described as "slightly awkward traits".

Maybe it's the narcissistic children that should watch the video.

Surely, if they have that as a personality, they have it from day 1. So the parents should be pointing this out to them all the way. And certainly as they grow, they should be able to understand this and recognise their behaviour for what it is. And, therefore, deal with it. Or at least try.

I first heard the use of the word narcissistic many years ago when studying for a masters degree in teaching autistic children in a mainstream school. It has now appeared in fairly common usage which surprises me as it is a very rare personality disorder.

It's possibly like the word autism which many people incorrectly use to describe anyone with slightly awkward traits.

Such things interest me!

I agree EllanVannin but of course it's so much harder to do when it's your own AC.

Our ES's wife is narcissistic and that's resulted in us being estranged from him and our only GC for 6.5 years. Despite the pain of our loss we're thankful that we no longer have to deal with her crap and poison.

They are just damned awful people who I'd personally keep at arms length.