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What EP's need to hear from a fellow Estranged Parent.

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HolyHannah Mon 16-Mar-20 01:37:42

psiloveyou.xyz/this-is-what-your-estranged-child-wants-you-to-do-4b65022152bb

ananimous Tue 17-Mar-20 19:08:13

Playing tit for tat with your own child's love never usually ends well.

The facts are the facts.

Love is unconditional in a healthy family.

Don't be so eager to shoot the messenger. hmm

Bridie22 Tue 17-Mar-20 19:07:41

Don't insult my intelligence either

Bridie22 Tue 17-Mar-20 19:07:03

Think you have over stated your points now .

ananimous Tue 17-Mar-20 19:06:10

I cannot help you if you are struggling to use google

ananimous Tue 17-Mar-20 19:05:33

Not when I keep getting a mean girl response to all my posts, pointless

Bridie22 Tue 17-Mar-20 19:03:41

Can you not just post a response in plain speak without all the jargon, we aren't stupid and are quite capable of reading any book on the subject we choose.

HolyHannah Tue 17-Mar-20 18:51:03

The only person calling EP's "villains" is you Smileless. If I see a duck I refuse to call it a goose to make it feel better because it wants to be a goose. It's still a duck. If I see a goose quacking I'm likely to ask what's going on. If the goose says, "I'm a duck." I'm going to 'break the news' to the goose. Now if the duck is happily quacking and the goose is honking then that is 'normal'.

Recovery teaches you to see all the waterfowl for what it is and not what it wants to be/is pretending to be.

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Mar-20 18:38:06

"Gossip from flying monkeys" oh the irony.

Yes Bridie it does work both ways.

Bridie22 Tue 17-Mar-20 18:36:50

Are you just quoting from a book?

ananimous Tue 17-Mar-20 18:34:32

And I had absolutely no idea why, and no way of asking her.

You should add...
But if someone tries to explain I shall attack them, too.

Gossip from flying monkeys about your child does not equate to asking your AC what happened. But shows the level of bond between the EP and AC - healthy parents do not go on hearsay that conveniently fits the bitter narrative - the AC has probably endured much of this hostility already, and voted, finally, with their feet. Bravo to them.

Bridie22 Tue 17-Mar-20 18:33:05

Life is very short....and some of our children are also choosing to miss out on precious time with their parents, it works BOTH ways.

ananimous Tue 17-Mar-20 18:27:23

In recovery I learned that you can either get used to tip-toeing through an abusers 'emotional minefield' or you can find a clear path but until there is acknowledgment of the 'mines' in the field they can't be 'swept clean'. Abusers don't 'see' the mines even when they are the ones laying them.

What she said.

...And sorry for my "mines" - we've all had our wars.

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Mar-20 18:26:58

I didn't say it "wasn't" the cause or that abuse may not have caused it, and no one has written off a severe psychological condition. You don't take on board what others post HolyHannah because you're too focused on your own point of view and seem unable or unwilling to accept that not all EP's are the villains you portray them as being.

"It is not my intent to shame anyone". Maybe you should re evaluate some of your responses and consider the words you have quoted from the OP.

HolyHannah Tue 17-Mar-20 18:17:04

It is not my intent to shame anyone, but to simply offer what I have learned to see if it will help you, too. It is painful to see the truth about ourselves, and if you are not in a place that this is possible, or you feel that this article is not for you, you have my blessing to stop reading.

The author nailed it...

HolyHannah Tue 17-Mar-20 18:10:54

Smileless -- One of the reasons for eating disorders is early childhood trauma. lavazza1st admitted that the child was exposed to a dysfunctional environment/trauma. The child developed an eating disorder. And you don't see that as the cause?

To 'comfort' lavazza1st you want to say the eating disorder happened in a vacuum and the abuse might not have caused it? This might be what some call "rubbish advice". I certainly believe trying to 'write off' a severe psychological condition in an 11 year old as 'maybe not her fault' is not "help".

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Mar-20 18:06:37

What I have listed is not what EP's need to hear from other EP's or anyone else for that matter.

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Mar-20 17:53:04

I'll separate out what I've identified as criticism and unhelpful rosecarmel.

In response specifically to Lavazza1st. Eating disorders are due to a dysfunctional upbringing. This is not always the case as Madgran's links illustrated.

The L hasn't acknowledged damage done to her son due to his early childhood, when she has.

She seems to be more concerned with her own pain than her son's.

That she exposed her children to a dysfunctional environment and no acknowledgement apart from mine, that she left their abusive father.

"To enter into an abusive relationship you must yourself be dysfunctional"

Accusing EP's of giving other EP's "rubbish advice".

"If you are estranged from your children it's because you are unreasonable".

HolyHannah Tue 17-Mar-20 17:35:18

ananimous -- Clearly some need to reread the article. She is saying all the things NOT to do and yet it is being demonstrated again. Stop defending yourself, get honest, stop justifying, it's not your child's 'job' to make you happy and stop playing the victim. If EP's can't/won't stop doing those things, then you are right, Bottom line: If you are estranged from your child it is because you are unreasonable.

In recovery I learned that you can either get used to tip-toeing through an abusers 'emotional minefield' or you can find a clear path but until there is acknowledgment of the 'mines' in the field they can't be 'swept clean'. Abusers don't 'see' the mines even when they are the ones laying them.

rosecarmel Tue 17-Mar-20 17:14:33

Smileless, would you mind taking the time to separate out what you identified as advice and what you identified as critisim?

Or at least point out what was said that wasn't helpful-

Madgran77 Tue 17-Mar-20 17:10:50

That's what the OP is about in a nutshell- She doesn't dance around the problem, she addresses what she caused-

Exactly rosecarmel

grannyactivist Tue 17-Mar-20 17:06:49

Usually the whole family are dysfunctional, and also friends we orientate towards will have similar/familiar toxicity traits.

I am glad to report that we are not a usual family in this regard. smile

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Mar-20 17:03:23

I agree and IMO Lavazza1st has demonstrated some understanding of the effect her children's childhood has had, in particular on her son so I don't understand why she's come in for criticism.

rosecarmel Tue 17-Mar-20 16:54:34

It isn't so much a matter of who did or didn't do their best, who did what right or wrong- It boils down to understanding what your actions or inaction "caused"-

That's what the OP is about in a nutshell- She doesn't dance around the problem, she addresses what she caused-

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Mar-20 16:39:32

No I don't hate facts ananimous that's the point, it is not a fact that you someone must be dysfunctional to find themselves in a dysfunctional relationship.

ananimous Tue 17-Mar-20 16:23:17

I am estranged from my daughter, but this is not a defensive mother speaking. I had no idea, for many years, why my daughter suddenly cut contact not only with me, but with my whole family including her siblings, her aunts and uncles, cousins, grandparents etc. She immediately changed her phone number and moved house to an undisclosed location.

Usually the whole family are dysfunctional, and also friends we orientate towards will have similar/familiar toxicity traits.