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How to advise over a moral dilemma

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Furret Tue 11-Aug-20 07:05:14

My next door neighbour is a solicitor and I assure you she has been working, in her office, throughout this pandemic Bluebelle.

OpenUniversity2017 Tue 11-Aug-20 06:57:58

To all who have posted - I can assure you all that this is a genuine case and definitely not a hypothetical / made up scenario .
Jayne’s mum died in May and probate has been granted . I know this for a fact because it can be verified by going online on the government website which Jayne and I did together . She has also seen a copy of the estate accounts.
I framed this as “moral dilemma “ because while Jayne knows her brother has done wrong, she is also mindful that it’s a criminal act. A solicitor friend has outlined to her what could follow if she does report this deceits/ fraud. It could involve the police and even jail.
Could you do this to your brother, even if you think he’s a lowlife ?
That’s the dilemma .

Marmight Tue 11-Aug-20 05:55:18

I’m my Aunt’s executor along with my cousin. She died in April 2019. probate was granted in January and funds distributed to the beneficiaries. Because of Covid, the estate has not been finalised due to the Tax Dept & solicitor ‘working from home’! I find it hard to believe that’Jane’s’ mother’s estate has been sewn up so quickly - in less than 4 months? Hypothetical perhaps or a miracle?

BlueBelle Tue 11-Aug-20 04:44:12

I m sure this isn’t a real life situation my friends a solicitor they haven’t even gone back to work yet there will be a backlog of wills etc to work through it sounds a made up story as the timing is all wrong and your user name says it all really

Bibbity Tue 11-Aug-20 02:43:14

Also adding to the above, hiding assets is not that easy.
So for her brother to hide the funds like that it would’ve taken time. And the money would not have easily then been distributed amounts the benefactors upon her death.

Chewbacca Tue 11-Aug-20 00:41:06

I'm sorry but I can't understand why this is being presented as a "moral" conundrum. From what you say, the brother is a lying, deceitful, dishonest, manipulative waste of space who has apparently interfered with their mother's will to his benefit and his sister's detriment. In addition, he has falsified his claim for financial assistance for mother's care home fees which will, undoubtedly catch up with him. Why is Jane having any doubts whatsoever as to what needs to be done? It would surely be "immoral" not to report him before she gets lumped in with the legal shit storm that's heading her brothers way? hmm

MamaBear20 Mon 10-Aug-20 23:58:11

Hm, interesting that she died of COVID and the will has already gone through probate AND been paid out. That process typically takes longer. I call BS.

Scribbles Mon 10-Aug-20 22:14:49

I'm a hard-faced b***h and I'd certainly grass him up!

However, based on the figures you give, I'm not sure how financially worthwhile it would be for your friend to contest the will. Even if she was successful, by the time the local authority have had their rightful share and the lawyers have been paid, how much would would be left of £105,000?
She might be better accepting the financial situation and content herself with the sweet revenge of dobbing in the dishonest brother.

V3ra Mon 10-Aug-20 22:14:15

One of the responsibilities of holding a power of attorney is to keep records of any financial dealings made on behalf of the person concerned.
If this has not been honestly done, especially with the intent to commit fraud, then yes it should be reported.
If it isn't then that's also wrong.

ElaineI Mon 10-Aug-20 22:05:23

Morally yes she should tell them as they all are suffering and services cut through lack of government funding so the money should be paid back from the estate.

Oopsadaisy3 Mon 10-Aug-20 22:00:56

My MIL died during lockdown and we are still waiting for probate to come through, Janes brother did well to get it done so quickly and to have distributed the money already didn’t he?

Smileless2012 Mon 10-Aug-20 19:44:44

Yes she should inform the relevant authorities asap and should also seek legal advice and contest the will.

Illte Mon 10-Aug-20 19:27:58

Oh well, best of luck with your research.

OpenUniversity2017 Mon 10-Aug-20 19:21:36

Er... the issue posted above is not an academic exercise . It’s a true ongoing problem involving real people

HAZBEEN Mon 10-Aug-20 19:06:01

Do you have a paper to write?

Illte Mon 10-Aug-20 18:55:49

I think, morally, that I would expect someone who was putting forward a hypothetical moral dilema, possibly for research, to be honest about that.
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OpenUniversity2017 Mon 10-Aug-20 18:44:30

A distressed friend has come to me for advice.

Jayne’s elderly mother recently died in a care home due to COVID. As if that wasn’t bad enough she recently made the shock discovery that her only sibling - a brother who had power of attorney over their mother’s estate and assets - had made a false declaration to the local authority. As a result of his action the care home fees where met entirely by the local authority for the last year or so of their mother’s life.

When Jayne’s brother revealed this to his sister he asked her that if the local authority were to catch up with his deception, would she be prepared to pay back a proportion of her share to the local authority.

Confused and shocked, Jayne could not give him the assurance he sought so instead asked to see the will,

Two weeks later she received an electronic will from her brother as he was also the only executor ( a solicitor had only been used to help with probate). Jayne was upset to realise that she was not a beneficiary as her brother had led her to expect. Instead, her late mother had left a 1/10 share to be equally split between Jayne’s three adult children and the other 9/10 share to the brother.

Her children have now received money from the estate and they are none the wiser of their uncles fraud .

Jayne came to me anxious and distressed . She’s prepared to compensate her children if they should lose their inheritance. However, the fact still stands She’s been disinherited and found out her brother is a fraud .

She’s tried to get the brother to own up and pay the money back but he refuses to, saying that he feels entitled to his £95,000share, despite the fact that he and his wife are reasonably wealthy already .

Should Jayne inform the local authority of her brothers fraud or just bury it?
Your thoughts please.