Domestic Violence from kids to parents

My impression is that some posters are attempting to exclude others.

It could have developed into an interesting discussion, Iam64 but unfortunately has gone astray and posters have left, including the OP, perhaps they became bored.

No rosecarmel every thread on the estrangement forum ends up being about EAC, how awful their parents are/were and how awful EPs must be, because they've been estranged.#

Unlike you, I don't find either scenario amusing.

rosecarmel, who are you accusing of being Nazi's?

This thread was set up to discuss violence from children to parents. Yes, threads move around, different topics are introduced.

My impression is that some posters are attempting to exclude others.

condolences to you Smileless.
the careworker in the situation i outlined does know all about the controlling behaviour by the adult children.
she tries hard to protect her client. anyone else would have left long ago. she only stays because she feels sorry for the client. but there is an impasse as the client will not, perhaps cannot, recognise that to an outsider it looks as though the AC's motive is to ensure as little money as possible is spent. even though it is their mother's money; they probably see it as rightly theirs, and resent that it has to be spent on her extra care needs. they seem to ignore the reality of being disabled. don't bother to acquaint themselves with medical details. and the mother tries to fit in with their expectations. would never co-operate with any intervention to uphold her rights.

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I was wondering the same thing Agedp.

What does GP's justifyingly saying when their GC are being used as pawns have to do with this thread?

How many times does it have to be said that this thread is about parents being abused by their children?

Whether or not anyone accuses you of playing games HolyHannah, when you say you are protecting your children is irrelevant to this discussion and once again is taking it off topic.

Small = Shiny

Adult = Dull

That's about the size of it- Robbed of the shiny, rejected the dull-

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Starblaze -- I agree. Using the grand-children as pawns is another one of those catch phrases I cringe at. My children/no child is a player in a 'game'. Anyone who thinks I am playing some game by protecting my children from abusers probably needs to look at their own attitude/mentality.

Calling a child a "small object" is a tad detached I would say. Children need to be raised. What does one do with a "small object"? Whatever you want, the "small object" doesn't care and just needs to learn where it belongs...

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Children are not alway seen regularly. Home schooling is increasing, as are so called 'free schools'. I acknowledge the right of parents to home school but, do children have the right to consent to that? It's inescapable that some adults, be they parents or 'free schools' prefer to operate outside the usual statutory agencies. That's their right of course but let's not forget its much less likely children will have the usual safeguarding procedures around them. Yes, yes, I know legally they should have.

Galaxy I correct in saying the legislation around vulnerable adults is similar to that around children.

I simply cannot understand why women support the Karen blaming. It's misogynistic, gives bullying men carte blanche to make abusive bullying comments about women.
Welbeck, I plan to scroll back to find your post, which sounds to have been more focussed on the OP than any Karen distraction.

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Hi all - just to clarify why the photo was deleted, while we completely understand that the image was used to demonstrate a point, we had to remove the post due to the sensitive and violent nature of the image.

"Till's body was returned to Chicago where his mother insisted on a public funeral service with an open casket. "The open-coffin funeral held by Mamie Till Bradley exposed the world to more than her son Emmett Till's bloated, mutilated body. Her decision focused attention not only on U.S. racism and the barbarism of lynching but also on the limitations and vulnerabilities of American democracy".[7] Tens of thousands attended his funeral or viewed his open casket, and images of his mutilated body were published in black-oriented magazines and newspapers, rallying popular black support and white sympathy across the U.S. Intense scrutiny was brought to bear on the lack of black civil rights in Mississippi, with newspapers around the U.S. critical of the state. Although local newspapers and law enforcement officials initially decried the violence against Till and called for justice, they responded to national criticism by defending Mississippians temporarily giving support to the killers.

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Holyhannah if you mean narcissist that is apparently as bad as Karen in some circles but I do like and recognise the word narcissist lol

People in place to actually routinely check on the vulnerable would be a great solution. Children are seen regularly, the elderly are not gaurunteed any contact for long periods.

My mum has been estranged by so many over the years (no surprise, she's not very nice) that I would not be surprised if she has little support system left by now and obviously we do not have a relationship. Strangely I would still be happier knowing her needs are taken care of and someone is able to treat her with the respect she doesn't give back.

Starblaze -- I didn't coin the term and don't usually use it myself, however there are a lot of people who do and knowing what the term means etc. isn't condoning the use of it. The only thing I laughed at was rosecarmel saying, "Call the manager!".

A younger person asked me what my 'mom' was like and I gave them the clinical definition. Their reply was, "What's that?" and I said, "Imagine living with a Karen and you are 'the manager' she is constantly complaining too... Day in and day out for years on end." Younger person with a horrified face, "Oh."

So it was a bit of an educational moment that what the younger person saw as 'Karen' behavior also has another term... The clinical one I gave him.

I am sorry to hear that smileless.
They must have had some capacity to act in terms of the housing issue, it's very difficult for everyone when there are competing rights if you know what I mean.
Things will be much worse for vulnerable adults at the present time in the same way they are for children at risk.

I don't know TBH Galaxy. They got the heating sorted out but I think they stopped communicating with me because my brother didn't want me involved.

After a few ignored emails and un responded to 'phone calls I didn't see what else I could do.

Sadly my mum died a few weeks ago. I can only hope the situation improved but as I was unable to get to see her, and SS's knew that, I simply have no way of knowing for sure.

Did they act smileless? I have just been looking at the definition of vulnerable adult and it includes people receiving any form of health care, domicilary care etc.

Galaxy

Why has that been deleted. I dont understand that.

Ask Karen-

Holyhannah and rosecarmel I do agree with that in principal but I don't think "Karen" is very fair to people called Karen.

I agree that people who are entitled, bitter and racist doing things like calling the police because a black person walked through their neighbourhood knowing that by reporting an innocent act as a criminal act, they are risking someone's life in some areas....

Well racist is the word I would use.

Last year I contacted SS because I was very concerned about the conditions my mother and brother were living; both had mental health problems.

SS's were asking me if I thought my mum had capacity; I had no idea.

Not all though.