I find it very difficult to believe any of the story.
If it is true why would anyone in their right mind put up with this sort of behaviour.
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I have two children aged 20 (boy) and 22 (girl)who are university students in Ireland. The oldest finishes university at the end of April. In Ireland, unless you are very poor, parents have to pay for university. I moved to the UK 18 months ago to get a better job to be able to support my children through university.
The children live in a house that I own in Dublin - I bought it when I was 23. They pay no rent as they are students. I pay all the utility bills and maintain and insure the house. They have a very expensive lifestyle as students - lots of foreign holidays, designer clothes, out drinking several nights a week, eat only at the best restaurants and cafes, have Sushi delivered to the door when they feel like it, and take taxis whenever they wake up late and can't get to work and/or university on time. They work full-time and go to university to be able to pay for their expensive lifestyles. They still get good grades.
However, they treat the house with terrible disrespect and me to, a lot of the time - I am a single parents since they were aged 3 and 18 months. There has been an infestation of mice in the house on two occasions. The last time this happened, the pest control company said it was the worst mouse infestation they had seen in a private house - and the infestation led to the neighbours house being infested also. This happened because my children, particularly my daughter, left food lying around uncovered, and bits of old food in the sink. I was renting out a room in the house at the time to another student. She had left food rotting on the table and kitchen work surfaces for a week. My children never let me know this, or never asked her to clean up, or never cleaned up the rotting food themselves to prevent a mouse infestation. When my children discovered there was mice in, they never let me know for two months. The final bill to get rid of the mice was 560 euros for the pest control company, and 2163 euros to defumigate the house afterwards and get rid of all the mice droppings. The children, but more particularly my daughter, are still not cleaning up the house. My son will do it sometimes with a couple of reminders. I went over last week to the house, the day after a new heating system was put in which cost 7000 euros, the bin in the kitchen was overflowing, there were pizza boxes with half eaten pizzas on the table, and bits of food in the sink. The external bin had not been put out for collection for several weeks and was overflowing. The carboard rubbish that my son had gotten from his Ikea delivery was left in the front garden. When I asked my daughter to empty the kitchen bin and dispose of the pizza boxes and their contents, she went mad, saying she hadn't time, that it wasn't her job, saying she hadn't time as she was going to work - the external bin is in the front of the house, so on her way out to work. Later I discovered she had no work that day.
There is a Ukranian girl now sharing the house who is lovely and keeps the house clean, but who has to do more than her fair share, because my two children won't help, though she acknowledges that my son helps a lot more than my daughter. This Ukranian girl states my daughter refused to help with any of the cleaning, leaves clothes everyone in the kitchen and sitting room, leaves used sanitary towels sticking out of bins and leaves takeaway foods uncovered and rotting in the fridge until they smell. About three years ago, there were two German girls sharing the house with my children and they couldn't cope with my duaghter's mess, leaving clothes everywhere, not cleaning up, and letting her dog pee everywhere and refusing to clean it up afterwards.
There is a back story to this, and apologies if I am long-winded. My daughter has always been quite a difficult person from a young age. Terrible temper tantrums from aged 2. In teenage years, she would scream the house down if the clothes she wanted to wear for school were in the wash - no uniform for school. Boundaries never worked - her demands were never given in to, and she lost privileges such as pocket money for bad behaviour. She also bullied her brother a lot and would make him cry - when I saw it, I always intervened, though they are still very close and tell each other everything and will back each other up against me. Other people have also found my daughter very difficult including teachers, and the family she stayed with in France when she spent a year there during the fourth year of secondary schooling - she had wanted to this and it was very expensive to do - 15000 for the year. As a teenager she would often threaten to tell social work that I was beating them up, and threaten that she would get my son taken away from me. She used to tell my son that I beat her up, and he would take her side, but when I asked him had he ever seen me beat her up, he would say he never had. She would also tell neighbours that I had assaulted her. When she used to threaten social work, I used to give her the telephone number to ring - I worked in healthcare so had the relevant numbers.
However, there is more of a back story to this. My son is not blameless either. I was very close to my son until he was about 14. At this time, he started to mix in with a bad crowd, and nothing I said or did could dissuade him from this, and he resented how much I tried to keep tabs on him. My son eventually started stealing from me, discovered the pin numbers for my online bank account, sold items from the house - cameras etc. He would have friends in when I was not there and they would eat all the food in the house, so it would be all gone within a day or two - this was before they went to university. They both had parties in the house when I was on night duty - I had to work four nights per month, and once when I went away for a night with my best friend. They damaged the work surfaces in the kitchen by dancing on them, damaged sofas by them and their friends vomiting on them. I had a converted attic in the house which was used as a den, and they put cigarette burns in the furniture and threw burning shorts and jeans out of the attic windows.
Things came to a head in those years before university, when my son age 16 decided to hide drugs in the house for one of his undesirable friends in exchange for 50 euros - the house was subsequently raided on a tip off by our police, the Gardai.. My son subsequently had to go into hiding as there was a threat on his life from the loss of money because the drugs were seized. This meant he had to change school as the drug gang knew which school he attended. No state school would take him because of the risk, but I got him into a private school, which cost 8000 per year. I had to work 55 hours per week though to pay for this school for two years, and eventually suffered with burnout. My son and daughter also had to move out of what was our family home to where they live now, which was my first house, which I had bought at a very young age and managed to keep. The gang tried to intimidate me in my home, and I was living in fear of being petrol bombed for the drug debt. A member of the gang came to my house one night. I knew who was ringing at my door, and I rang the police and they were arrested.
These were not children who were neglected. They did lots of after school activities, which they wanted to do. My daughter's hobby was sailing, and I paid for all this, including her sailing exams. They both also loved music, and had piano, singing, drum and saxaphone lessons. We travelled each summer abroad. They had lots of support with school, and I paid for extra tuition as they needed it.
I guess here, I would just like some opinions. Because of all that has happened, I feel a lot of resentment towards my children, and don't feel any real connection to them anymore. My daughter in particular, has always treated me with some contempt. If I text her, she will not respond for days, or until she needs something from me. If I try and arrange to do something nice with her, she will fob me off constantly. If I talk about how their behaviour has upset me or how I find it disrespectful, they become angry and annoyed and just walk away. If I say that something they have done or said has hurt me, and I feel the need to talk about it, they again become angry and blaming and everything is my fault. It's a big effort for them to do anything for Mother's Day or my birthday - if I don't remind them beforehand they won't do anything, yet I always go out of my way to celebrate their birthdays and buy them something nice, and also to make Christmas special. They will meet up with me when I am home sometimes, but they seem only interested if I am taking them out to an expensive restaurant or with the promise of cocktails and a serious amount of alcohol, and so it's gets expensive for me to try and maintain a relationship with them. Tea/coffee and cake in the local cafe or breakfast/lunch in a local bar is not enticing for them.
I am no longer sure, I can maintain a relationship with both of them. I still feel so resentful and sad about all that has happened and the way they have treated me, and that's impacting on my life, friendships and my relationship with my partner. I am working full-time abroad in the UK, but feel no longer able to do this - just wrecked by everything, and want to work part-time, but I can't sell the house where they are living because they are still in university, but yet I cannot stand to go there, and all the pressure to maintain it when they treat it so badly. After the last night when my daughter refused to empty the overflowing bin, I said I didn't want a relationship with her anymore, that I was so tired of trying to support them when they treated me and the house so badly.
Apologies for such a long post, and thanks to whoever manages to read through it, I just need some direction and advice on all this.
I find it very difficult to believe any of the story.
If it is true why would anyone in their right mind put up with this sort of behaviour.
Also Babs, Mumless hasn't been back
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I think you could be right Smileless.
And all that posts like this do is make it so much harder for ACs genuinely seeking help after an estrangement to come on here.
Too many crying Wolf.
Well I read the post carefully enough to notice that although Mumless claimed to be in Australia, he slipped up by saying he wasn't going to continue with his post because it was getting late.
Taking into account the time difference, it would have been between 6.30 am and 8.30 am at the time the post was made. I suspect the claim he's in Australia was to throw us off the scent that s/he may not be genuine
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Sorry, my reply was to Luminance.
Which Mumless says he has not done - he only read the OP and a few responses.
Why can't Granset remove these old threads, I suppose it has already been sorted out after all these months.
I am now having to check the dates on each thread before replying. A waste of time.
To give myself justice, I did take the time to read the situation carefully first.
@Luminance but you did judge that mumless’s comments which were highly judgemental were beneficial so you have judged in favour of this attitude.
Oh dear, we cannot have read the comment through an impartial lense and failed to ascertain the stated gender. Judgement is easier than empathy it seems
I took Mumless’s “(M40)” to mean (male,40)?
No, the reverse is not true. Posting about one's own experience and sharing that with someone whose experience is similar is one thing, but that's not what IMO Mumless' post was doing.
She was being critical and judgemental of the OP not based purely on what the OP posted, but on her experience with her own mother; that is projecting.
Is then the reverse also true and any estrangee commenting is therefore projecting their own situation onto each individual who visits? Or possibly is it the case, as stated, that individual people read situations and may relate to aspects of it which they then comment on? I feel that likely to be the case in some instances and that in some instances people are unable to see past their own situation when commenting. Who is doing what is not for me to judge so I would not but I would question why those who do judge, were so quick to believe that to be happening.
@Luminance have never heard highly critical and judgemental comments made about an OP described as beneficial.
Perhaps you also have difficulty seeing things from a different view point, or are prone to project.
I think, whatever side of estrangement you're on and I've been on both - it's important not to project personal circumstances onto others, who will have a different set of circumstance's🙂.
I don't doubt that some forced to estrange a parent have worked hard to understand the situation they found themselves in, but projecting one's own experience of their relationship with their mother onto other EP's I don't consider to be beneficial.
As a person who fortunately has good family relationships, I read the response from Mumless as actually rather intelligent and thoughtful. Rather looks like some of those forced to estrange a parent have done a lot of work to understand the situation they have found themselves in and are clearly of great benefit in discussion or imparting advice.
@mumless,
Your whole post could be a case history in projection.
I think is important to take in differing situations and circumstances, the nuances that result in a whole lot of grey areas between the black and the white.
Totally agree Delila, there's too much inventing of scenarios for which there is little evidence on the estrangement forum in particular.
I can’t understand why the poster can’t sort her children out. She indulges them, pays for everything and lets them treat her like shit. Unbelievable that the poster is so gullible.
I’m not even absolutely sure that this post is real. If it is, then the poster has herself to blame. She should pull back from her children and let them get on with things without any help from her. Withdraw every bit of help, money or houses. It can’t make things any worse.
Why she even wants to get close to these two nasty pieces of work amazes and frustrates me!
I think, Mumless, you credit yourself with more ability to read between the lines than you actually possess. Your entire post consists almost entirely of assumptions, possibly based on your own experiences/prejudices, and I think you’re being unfair to the OP.
I think we should listen/read carefully what people have to say, and comment or advise accordingly, but not invent scenarios for which there is little evidence.
Mumless
The poster has no doubt sorted things after all this time, but, you cannot judge what you don't know.
Why is it always parents fault, can adult children just be a nightmare too. Ive never knows so much mental illness, seems everyone is having some sort of label or condition making them as they are.
It’ll be interesting to see in a couple of decades.
I can’t where else they, when older, could put the “blame” but on themselves if they have problems with their ACs 🤔
We can but hope everyone is truly happy and healed by then…
🙏 🤲
That's an interesting point DL, the escalation (in the UK) of mental health issues, in very young children, is the highest ever. I wonder how many of our AC's generation who blame 'bad parenting' for all that's wrong with them and their lives, will accept full responsibility if their children blame them, when they grow up.
mumless. every estrangement is different, as I’m sure you know.
You, obviously, had your own reasons for estranging your mother, and whatever the two sides to your story, you feel you did the right thing, so all good.
But, you should be careful not to project your experience onto estranged parents dealing with different situations.
On any forum, posters give opinions on what is asked. If the OP gives a situation, then different opinions may result from that.
As a Mum and Nan, I would say, though, that it’s perfectly feasible that ACs can have problems/issues that have absolutely nothing to do with suggested “poor parenting” - it happens.🤷♀️
Mental health issues, addictions, partner coercion etc etc. are fairly common themes.
Not everything is about upbringing. The escalation (in the UK) of mental health issues, in very young children, is the highest ever. I honestly don't think that means that so many young parents are poor parents. 🤔. There are many reasons.
As adults, we all make choices on how we wish to live our lives. We should take responsibility for ourselves.
Blaming our parents for everything doesn’t lead to a happy life.
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