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Another perspective on estrangement

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ShropshireGal87 Wed 18-Dec-24 09:09:17

As we all know, there are many different scenarios that lead to estrangement in families and every one is unique. There are posts from estranged parents here about EAC who cut them off with little information or warning, parents who have been estranged over something seemingly trivial, and posts from EAC who have understandably decided to protect themselves and their families from future harm after years of abuse.

Sometimes EAC are described as having "thrown their parents away" or being cruel and disinterested. I am not doubting that is the case for some, and impossibly painful to cope with. I just wanted to give the perspective of a EAC who was very reluctant to estrange. For some EAC, they have tried to reach out to their parents numerous times, and would have loved for their parents to enter into a discussion about the situation so it could be resolved, only to be met with denial, refusal to listen, insults and complete lack of self reflection. For some EAC this can keep going round in circles for years because they really believe, or perhaps just hope, that something will shift one day and the situation can be resolved. They write letters, emails, have phone calls trying to explain the issue, only to be told at a later date that their parents have got no idea what the issue is.

They too see the adverts on TV of the perfect families at Christmas, or have an idea in their head about how things should be, and feel sad that they don't have that. But eventually, accept that the situation isn't healthy for anyone involved and it would be less toxic to cut ties and end the cycle.

I'm not quite sure what my message is. Perhaps just to remind everyone that every single situation is completely unique, and that an outsider can never fully understand the ins and outs. That EAC sometimes do give the reasons for estrangement and yet their parents claim not to know it, and some EPs do genuinely not know the reason, and that both of those situations are infuriating and heartbreaking. That some EAC may have been influenced by a third party, but also that some EPs do put the blame on a third party because it's easier than accepting dysfunction in their own family. But someone else having the opposite experience to yours does not invalidate your experience, and there is room for empathy for people on all sides.

I cannot understand the reasoning behind the "troll" posts but if they are intended to change people's ways of thinking, unfortunately they only serve to separate EAC from EPs who might otherwise benefit from hearing each others points if view.

Let's not make assumptions either way about people we know so little about.

Babs03 Mon 23-Dec-24 21:08:50

Smileless2012

Our first GC's first Christmas present just a book, was pushed back through our letter box 12 years ago tomorrow on Christmas Eve, with a note telling us we were no longer a part of our son's and GC' s lives and were to stay away.

No warning. No attempt to address any issues there may have been and no explanation then or now.

I think that shows that our son wanted to hurt us and make us unhappy ShropshireGal, and that was just the beginning.

As Allsorts says, cowardly and cruel.
The ways our EACs hurt us are as varied as they are brutal. And the hurt runs so deep in my opinion it causes trauma that we accommodate and so learn to live with but can never be cured. Is similar to changing ones life to live with a disability, we live the best life we can but it can never be like before.
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Babs03 Mon 23-Dec-24 21:00:31

Well there are a litany of hurts that we could list. The abuse and gaslighting, poisonous texts on social media, lies told to my side of the family so that we are estranged from them as well, including my sister and nephews - fact is a cousin who remained loyal to us throughout now says the scales have fallen from the eyes of many who turned against us when we needed them most, but we cannot forget or forgive.
And last but not least the fact we know she tells people we are dead. Easier to explain I suppose.
Our other three daughters were estranged from her before we became estranged and urged to cut off because she was being abusive.
It took a nervous breakdown for me to realise the truth.
We don’t ever want to contemplate the necessity to protect ourselves from our own ACs.
Has taken me 11 years to recover and even now I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks.

Allsorts Mon 23-Dec-24 20:58:58

Smileless, Whether the book was pushed through your door by your son or daughter in law it was cruel and cowardly, Christmas Eve when families get together especially with a new grandchild, when I think how you close you used to be, living just a few doors away, theres no excuse. I’m glad you have finally have the home you love and it has made you and Mr S even closer, they are the losers.



, I think pushing that book through was cowardly abd cruel

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 20:28:38

Our first GC's first Christmas present just a book, was pushed back through our letter box 12 years ago tomorrow on Christmas Eve, with a note telling us we were no longer a part of our son's and GC' s lives and were to stay away.

No warning. No attempt to address any issues there may have been and no explanation then or now.

I think that shows that our son wanted to hurt us and make us unhappy ShropshireGal, and that was just the beginning.

ShropshireGal87 Mon 23-Dec-24 20:21:54

I suppose you could say control was a factor in my estrangement too. I felt that by cutting contact I was trying to take back some control over things in my own life. As issues arose and became confrontational exchanges of messages and demands for responses, the anxiety these arguments caused would take over days of my life at a time. Often out of nowhere a new message with accusations of cruelty or some ultimatum would pop up and take over whatever else I was dealing with that week. By requesting space (indefinitely) I have attempted to find some peace and hopefully bring some peace to them too, as they are also freed from those exchanges, such can't have been healthy for them either.

But it certainly hasn't been about trying to exert any control over anybody else.

For those EPs who talk about their EAC trying to hurt them, I'm genuinely asking (it's not always clear in written communication) what makes you think your EAC want to hurt you or wish you any unhappiness?

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 19:47:02

You make a good point Bridie as the need for control often does have a part to play in estrangement from EP's and EAC.

Our ES told his father that the only reason that we, along with my brother provided the deposit for his first house, which we then agreed to transfer into another property by way of a deposit, was to control them (him and his wife). So we suggested that our investment be paid back, not immediately of course or all in one go, but of course it never has been.

So much for us wanting to have control.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 18:49:14

I believe ShropshireGal87 had the correct interpretation there. Nothing to do with anyone's own child I feel. Simply a better way of dealing with difficult people and situations I will take care to emulate in future.

Bridie22 Mon 23-Dec-24 18:37:57

I am responding to a comment and explaining that control had a part probably in my EAC estrangement., actually loss of control.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 18:31:31

I would rather hope people could control their own responses, is that not a sign of strength not to be frowned upon? Respond, don't react as that saying goes. I am grateful for the help.

ShropshireGal87 Mon 23-Dec-24 18:26:09

I believe the idea of "focus on what you can control and not the things you can't" is more about putting your energy into things you can influence and resolve rather than using your energy to worry about things you have no control over. It's quite a commonly used mantra and I don't think it's about wanting to control over everything - just deciding the best use of your energy smile

Bridie22 Mon 23-Dec-24 18:17:21

User138526
That's quite striking comment " I like to focus on what I can control".!
I think that is one of my EAC s downfall and why we don't maybe agreed on things, they liked to be in control of everything, no give and take.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 18:01:15

I appreciate your intervention User138562, I was struggling rather a lot with it all.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 17:44:20

I loved that advert DL, always raised a tchsmile.

User138562 Mon 23-Dec-24 17:22:14

Luminance, you are fighting a losing battle.

Every point you make will be contradicted, I promise. Do like me and respond to the topic at hand, then literally ignore replies. I don't see what people say to me, and it keeps me from getting sucked into the drama.

The people who argue with you wherever you comment are never going to ever be receptive.

Unless of course you enjoy the back and forth. If that's the case, don't let me tell you what to do. That's just how I keep my own mental peace. I do wish people wouldn't argue with literally every point that doesn't suit their narrative, but I like to focus on what I can control.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 16:50:39

11 years MissA and if it wasn't both supportive and helpful it wouldn't have lasted so long.

Apart from the obvious ones Luminance we all want this forum to be supportive and helpful and I'm not aware of anyone telling you what you can say or think. What you regard as interrogation I see as you being asked for clarification which we're all asked for from time to time.

DiamondLily Mon 23-Dec-24 16:50:05

I've lost the plot here. I thought we were talking about estrangement, in all its forms, and now there's apparently no light through the darkness. 🤷‍♀️

I didn't know we had to search for the lights. 🤷‍♀️

Mind you, I've only got one "ology" and that's O level biology...😳

And, now I'm sounding like Maureen Lipman in an old BT advert - shrieking about "ologies" lol 😄

Jeez. 🤷‍♀️

MissAdventure Mon 23-Dec-24 16:18:45

There's a thread here that has been running for years; sround nine, I think.
That seems to be supportive and helpful.

It difficult for people to have a succession of "new members" claiming to have been reading, but not posting, who's sole intent is to cause upset, based on their own issues, with their own parents.

Bridie22 Mon 23-Dec-24 16:14:26

That's clearer now Luminance, as you amended which post you were referring to.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 16:09:45

Too late I feel. I was just trying to be helpful reading that people wanted this space to be supportive and helpful. I wanted to point out what I thought would be helpful in achieving that. Instead my every comment has been interrogated and I feel I have been told rather too many times what I am allowed to say or think at all. It's all too tiring for me. A difficult thing for someone not used to the site. I hope to find friendlier discussions here.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 16:01:28

So your post @ 14.58 was in response to MissA. If that's the case I agree with you Luminance that when it comes to the unpleasant now deleted posts that, Light cannot shine where darkness rules.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 15:51:25

Rather obviously I feel, my reply was to the one above me. However I can see there is strong adversity to hearing different perspectives or indeed, examining whether replies are actually warranted towards anyone else so will not expect this to be addressed.

Allsorts Mon 23-Dec-24 15:42:12

Sara, yes you're probably right about your mother, peoples recollections vary, so you are both better off.
Luminance, thank goodness you are on hand for your friends to offer advice that stopped estrangement and altered the course of their lives. A true friend.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 15:04:46

We can only hope that one day they will MissA.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 15:03:58

Luminance if you have something to say then why not just say it. If you cannot or will not substantiate your vague accusations then it's probably advisable not to make them.

Bridie22 Mon 23-Dec-24 15:01:48

Light cannot shine were darkness rules...implies what Luminance, you are talking in riddles, im not understanding what you are referring too!