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Things learnt in therapy.

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NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 14:42:02

Unhealthy behaviour patterns I made as notes, helpful when trying to understand a difficult relationship so thought I would share:

1. Entitlement and expecting and demanding things from you rather than making requests for what they want.

2. Unable to take any feedback from you about their behaviour or how it has impacted you.

3. Obsessed with appearances or what people think of them which can change dependant on company.

4. Makes you feel bad about yourself, like you are a bad person or worthless in some way.

5. Cannot take accountability or apologise and will act like you are in the wrong if you point out they have hurt you.

6. Makes you feel as if you have to walk on eggshells because there are no clear boundaries on what may trigger a negative reaction.

7. Playing the victim and speaking badly of you to other people and even your own family members in order to make you look like the one in the wrong.

stillawipp Sun 22-Jun-25 17:49:53

Smileless2012

Oh here we go again. Now it's the second 'l' that's been replaced with a capital 'I'. Whoever you are, I hope you get the help you need. You certainly seem to be determined to cause trouble between me and NiceDream; I wonder whyhmm.

Just my thoughts.

That’s a very mean thing to do to someone - Smile1ess2012 (I hope I’ve got the impersonator’s name correct) . Why don’t you want to own your own comments?

NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 17:47:22

I made the decision to go to therapy so I count that as helping myself and knowing what I needed for my journey.

I am sure you are very proud of him, I would be too Diamondlily but I am also proud of those who seek help if they need it, we are all different

DiamondLily Sun 22-Jun-25 17:42:37

NiceDream

Well I am glad I responded politely anyway.

Diamondlily it was life changing for me. The abuse done to me as a child had left me with very poor mental health and a lot of anxiety. It means a great deal to me to not feel bad about myself. Not have my mother's voice in my head. A lot of therapists really do change lives for the better.

Well, it worked for you, so all good. 👍. Whether it’s bereavement or family traumas, we all have to find our own way.

I’m involved with a man (my age) who had an appallingly bad childhood - parental neglect, physical abuse, mental abuse and ended up, in his teen years, with malnutrition.🫩. The parents drank and gambled excessively and had no idea how to look after their kids. In those days, schools etc didn’t get involved.

He, on his own, left home at 16, and rented a room. He put himself through college, while working outside those hours, and started a new life.

He estranged his mother and father. He kept in touch with his siblings.

He met a girl and was happily married to her for 47 years until she died. He built a very successful career, had a good life, and bought up two lovely kids, who love him to bits.

All without help.

His siblings, however, have made a hash of their lives - prison, no careers, divorces, endless problems. 🙄

After his father had died, his mother, curiously, asked him for help with organising her life. Which he did. He didn’t love her, but he helped her.

We all do things our own way.

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:41:31

If you see a post you think is from me NiceDream do look at the name very carefully.

NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 17:39:49

stillawipp

Yup, life changing for me too. As others have said, horses for courses!

Ah that's so good to hear

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:39:30

Oh here we go again. Now it's the second 'l' that's been replaced with a capital 'I'. Whoever you are, I hope you get the help you need. You certainly seem to be determined to cause trouble between me and NiceDream; I wonder whyhmm.

Just my thoughts.

stillawipp Sun 22-Jun-25 17:39:11

Yup, life changing for me too. As others have said, horses for courses!

NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 17:38:56

Is it a bad thing that I went to therapy and found it a positive experience?

There is an example of something I learned from therapy at the top, is that not a good thing to learn?

I'm sad that others didn't have a great experience with counselling or therapy but I am a little unsure how that relates to the advice I am passing on?

keepingquiet Sun 22-Jun-25 17:34:02

I have returned to counselling due to a very damaged person causing havoc in my family life.

I know counselling isn't therapy but I feel she doesn't seem to have picked up the same things outlined here. In fact, both times I've been the counsellor seems to be nodding off at times.

I find that counsellors are not that interested in your problems and just want to get paid for listening to you. Far from life changing for me... I don't think she believes a word I say and the trust has gone. How do persuade anyone that what you are saying is the truth?

Would a therapist be any different?

LOUISA1523 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:32:20

NiceDream

Oh, it's gone, not sure why

I just want to say I know therapy isn't for everyone and that is really ok. It was a huge positive for me though and I just wanted to share a little of what I have learned here where it might help people

🙄

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:29:46

It's happened before argymargy not to me but to others and it's always EP's on this forum that are targeted.

Maybe one day I'll feel sorry for them DL, but not today.

NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 17:26:52

Well I am glad I responded politely anyway.

Diamondlily it was life changing for me. The abuse done to me as a child had left me with very poor mental health and a lot of anxiety. It means a great deal to me to not feel bad about myself. Not have my mother's voice in my head. A lot of therapists really do change lives for the better.

Bridie22 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:25:52

This seems to be their sad life DL.

DiamondLily Sun 22-Jun-25 17:20:26

Smileless2012

Maybe someone's wanting to cause trouble between us.

Oh goodness, these sad people won’t let life be will they? 🙄

argymargy Sun 22-Jun-25 17:19:42

Wow! Smileless2012 I am truly shocked - this is the first time I have seen this vile tactic on Gransnet. And I do not like it! I hope GN has banned this poster.

DiamondLily Sun 22-Jun-25 17:19:19

NiceDream

Oh, it's gone, not sure why

I just want to say I know therapy isn't for everyone and that is really ok. It was a huge positive for me though and I just wanted to share a little of what I have learned here where it might help people

Well, I’ve learned, through various estrangement sagas, and then through spousal bereavement (the worst thing) that we all have to plough our own furrow through the stress and grief.

What works for one person won’t for another. Besides which, every therapist seems to hold different views and thoughts. 🤷‍♀️

Each to their own though. 👍

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:19:15

Maybe someone's wanting to cause trouble between us.

NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 17:15:19

Ah that makes sense Smileless2012, I really didn't know what I had done wrong for a moment there!

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:15:12

See my post @ 17.14.06

DiamondLily Sun 22-Jun-25 17:14:48

JaneJudge

narcissism

Yes, I think that probably is the problem at times - narcissists can never see beyond themselves. 🙄

Bit of a shame really - people like that will never be happy. 🤷‍♀️

NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 17:14:10

Oh, it's gone, not sure why

I just want to say I know therapy isn't for everyone and that is really ok. It was a huge positive for me though and I just wanted to share a little of what I have learned here where it might help people

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:14:06

If you look closely you'll see that I didn't make that post. The 1st 'l' in my name has been replaced with a capital 'I'. A subtle and effective tool used by trolls to cause disruption and unpleasantness.

NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 17:04:15

Smileless2012

In what way is it condescending to anyone?

It is just a list of unhealthy behaviours, are there any there that you don't agree with or that you think need discussion?

JaneJudge Sun 22-Jun-25 16:44:27

narcissism

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jun-25 16:41:36

That's like our experience with our ES and his wife DL no axe to grind .... but acted appallingly anyway.