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How can we overcome a 15+year estrangement

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prk26 Wed 11-Feb-26 15:18:19

My family is currently in a very difficult situation.

My daughter and I have been estranged for many years. My son and I had off and on contact, which was mostly dictated by his alcoholism and how he managed to cope. I tried to help him as best as I could, but that was difficult, because it's a fine line between enabling and helping. On top of it I've lived in the United States and my adult children in Germany.
My son became severely ill with cancer, so I visited Germany for an extended period of time to help him. Then the political situation in the US became what it is and I didn't feel safe anymore as a foreigner and decided to return to Germany. Then my son died. We had two more deaths in the family that impacted my daughter more then me. Because of the situation with my son my daughter and I got back in touch.

We also learned that some of the things that either of us had thought to be true about the other were in fact manipulative lies of my son. I don't want to judge him too harshly, I'm sure he didn't mean to do harm, but nevertheless, some of what he told us about each other, that wasn't true, made the situation between my daughter and me worse.

My daughter lost a significant part of her support system very suddenly and very unexpected due to the deaths. She has 3 daughters herself, my grandchildren. I'm overjoyed that I get to meet them and be in touch again. At the same time I immediately overshot, and overwhelmed my daughter with my enthusiasm, which she quite harshly criticized. But I do understand where she comes from and obviously also understand that after so many years of no contact things have to go slow and with care and also at a level that is comfortable for all 4 of us. Because of moving back to Germany I am now more in a position to help and I also want to help my daughter as best as I can. One portion of support is obviously financially – I try to do it as carefully as I can. I do not want to 'buy' my daughter, just help (unconditionally) with things if and where I can, like the older of the grandchildren is about to get a driving license, and that is very, very expensive over here (about 3,000 Euro). So they asked for money gifts at Christmas and gladly I gave a fair chunk, offering more if that should be wanted or needed. My daughter is divorced, raises the three children alone. She has a fairly well paid position as a teacher, but with 3 children and being alone things are still tight at times. She clearly has little time for herself, each time I see her, I feel worried, she looks so worn down. The one thing I can't get her is more time for herself, I offered to watch the younger children, but she hasn't taken me up on it.

But I do admit, I feel like I'm walking on a high rope without safety net. I never know what is right or wrong to do, what can I offer, what shouldn't I offer. What can I ask for what can't I ask for. Due to my own health situation I can't drive a car anymore. I ask my daughter to come and visit once a month with the grandchildren, so far that has worked and not caused friction. We are talking about a 20 minute drive (one way). The younger two of the grandchildren (twins) were extremely bored, they are 10 years old now. I bought some things, which I hope they enjoy doing while here. I had asked for suggestions from both the children and my daughter on what to get but didn't receive any.

My daughter forbade them to watch TV, which I find a little sad, it would give the younger ones something to do and give her and me a chance to talk without the interference of the children, but I worry a bit that my daughter might be trying to exactly avoid that. We tried playing some board games in which we all could participate, but that didn't go over so well either, because somebody seems to always dislike that specific game the majority wanted to do. I bought now some rubic cubes, some jumping ropes, coloring books appropriate for the age and coloring pencils, a bunch of legos, a tangram puzzle set, origami paper (and a book with folding instructions for beginners). I'm hoping with that to avoid the boredom of the younger children and not triggering my daughter. I think she also forbade the use of electronics, because neither of the children (not the 17 year old and not the 10 year olds) got their phones out while they were visiting the last two times. I am looking into getting a senior mobile, a kind of electric wheelchair with a stirring wheel, so that we can go for walks during the visits, which I hope will entertain everybody a bit, too.

We are all still in mourning, I have a support system for myself. But my daughter is fairly alone, she avoids any discussion of the emotional impact and I don't push there, just expressed my willingness to talk should she want to do so. We occasionally talk over whatsapp, so that we have a chance to express some things without the presence of the children. My daughter had told me that the twins had asked her if they would needed to be sad again when my son had died (his death was the last one in that horrible string of deaths my family experienced last year). We're trying to protect them from the impact of our sadness.

My daughter and I also still don't trust each other all too much. And I admit there is also still quite a bit of resentment towards her in me. I'm trying to cope with that and not to let it stand between her and me and our attempt to work towards some kind of growing together again. But it does sometimes rear it's ugly head.

I am looking for a therapist to help us navigate this difficult road. I will offer this option to my daughter once I found somebody (also not so easy here) and hope that she agrees to it. I'm a little afraid that she will decline due to lack of time. But we will see.

All of this is going on for about 18 months. About 18 months ago my son got so severely ill I came here for an 8 month visit and then I moved back to Germany late last year, and then he died.

I was hoping for a platform here, in which I could express some of the things which are difficult to understand for people who haven't gone through something like this. But also to get some suggestions on how to handle things – both, getting my grandchildren interested in getting to know me and ways to manage the re-unification with my daughter.

keepingquiet Wed 11-Feb-26 16:01:25

It sounds to me that you have already overcome the estrangement, triggered by the tragedy of your son's death.

What you need to to do nw is navigate the new waters you find yourselves in.

I hope you do get some sympathy here because some posters can be very harsh, although it seems to me you are trying your best.

Maybe your expectations are too high regarding the GD though- they will be almost strangers but also navigating their own teenage troubles whilst it seems trying to support their mum in her grief too.

A therapist may be a good idea for you, but I'm not sure why you want your daughter to do the same? This seems a little controlling and may have the reverse effect.

From my viewpoint your important relationship is with your daughter, and not your GC.

I suggest finding some way of spending time alone together- maybe just a regualar coffee or lunch or maybe? Doing some activity like a theatre trip or the cinema? I don't know-just something neutral end enjoyable not pressured, for you both?

Only by building things slowly will any progress be made, but I wish you well.

Esmay Wed 11-Feb-26 16:22:04

I think that keepingquiet has made some excellent observations - I certainly can't improve on them .
Do ignore the nasty posters ,who are always against someone who has been estranged .

I just to express my sympathy and I hope that your relationship with your daughter will continue to improve.

Take care .

Smileless2012 Wed 11-Feb-26 16:38:09

Hello prk and a warm welcome to GN's estrangement forum.

My sincere condolences for the loss of your son flowers.

A 15 year estrangement is a long time and it's perfectly understandable that both you and your daughter are going to have to learn to trust one another again and this will take time.
It is also perfectly understandable for there to be resentment on both sides.

It might be worth you considering in the first instance therapy for you without your daughter. If you find it constructive you could share this with your daughter, suggesting that she may find it helpful and it's something you could do together if she would like too.

I'm glad that you've taken on board her criticism of overwhelming her with your enthusiasm as there is a lot to process here; the death of her brother and the fact that his manipulation impacted your relationship.

You and your daughter need to get to know one another again and the children need to get to know their grand mother for the first time. Hopefully with time they will want to get to know you but for now, just as it is with your daughter it will take time and may never be the close relationship you hope for but I hope that it will be.

Having been estranged from our youngest son and only GC for 13 years, I can only imagine the joy mixed with so many other emotions for you both and wish you all well.

Expressing your willingness to talk if and when she wants too is the perfect approach and having done so, resist the temptation to mention this again. It may be that she will never be ready so you need to be able to accept that this is how it will be.

Avoid offering specifics and go with 'of there's anything you need/I can do just let me know'.

Smileless2012 Wed 11-Feb-26 16:40:21

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stillawipp Wed 11-Feb-26 16:53:54

I also offer my condolences on the loss of your son, something which everyone in your family will be dealing with differently. I agree with everything that Smileless2012 has said above - be led by your daughter & follow her lead, do some therapy alone at first & use any lessons you learn there to help your relationship with your daughter etc, but would also add…money doesn’t seem to be a problem for you, so why not hire a taxi to take you to her house instead of the other way round? Then the children have all their familiar things around them and can be amused some of the time whilst you & your daughter chat .

Grammaretto Wed 11-Feb-26 16:58:10

Gosh that's a hard situation to find yourself in.
I wish you well.
I can't imagine how it works with teenagers.
I have 5 teenage DGC who I am not estranged from but I think they would be bored at my place unless I gave them jobs to do.
You could try that. I think trying to amuse them with games isnt going to work but you could employ them to do odd jobs for yo -.
especially if they can drive now.

prk26 Wed 11-Feb-26 17:03:14

keepingquiet

It sounds to me that you have already overcome the estrangement, triggered by the tragedy of your son's death.

What you need to to do nw is navigate the new waters you find yourselves in.

I hope you do get some sympathy here because some posters can be very harsh, although it seems to me you are trying your best.

Maybe your expectations are too high regarding the GD though- they will be almost strangers but also navigating their own teenage troubles whilst it seems trying to support their mum in her grief too.

A therapist may be a good idea for you, but I'm not sure why you want your daughter to do the same? This seems a little controlling and may have the reverse effect.

From my viewpoint your important relationship is with your daughter, and not your GC.

I suggest finding some way of spending time alone together- maybe just a regualar coffee or lunch or maybe? Doing some activity like a theatre trip or the cinema? I don't know-just something neutral end enjoyable not pressured, for you both?

Only by building things slowly will any progress be made, but I wish you well.

I am not new to the internet and well aware of the harshness that some ppl find appropriate. I won't take it to heart. Thank you for your concern.

I tried to meet up with my daughter alone, that was my first suggestion. We met once for coffee and set the boundaries that we both wish to be respected for the ongoing contact. But beyond that she is rejecting that and only comes to visit with the grandchildren. I think she gains comfort from their presence and that enables her more to interact with me. My daughter's main 'entertainment' if it can be called so is horses. I'm dead afraid of horses. I try to be calm and relaxed around them, but I don't think I'm very successful. But I will try the theater road, I will look up one or two upcoming performances of the local theater and invite her to join me. It will push both of us a bit out of our comfort zone, but I think she might enjoy it, as would I.
I love classical music, sadly my daughter does not. I love rock music, sadly my daughter does not. She loves soft jazz and hip hop - sadly I don't like either. But I will keep my eyes open, may be there's something coming up that can be interesting for both of us. That makes things a bit difficult, we both are stubborn with very strong opinions on a lot of topics, but besides that we have very little in common.

She also apologized to me for some of the stuff that happened when she was a teenager - as I apologized for a lot of the stuff that happened while she was a child.

I didn't mean to suggest the therapy for her - I agree, that would be controlling and inappropriate. I thought that (similar to marriage counseling) there might be counseling possible for the two of us at the same time, so to speak of a daughter/mother family counseling, which could create a safe space to address issues that for either of us might feel like stepping onto a landmine. But I will take your advice to heart and be very sensitive should I decide to continue with this.

I'm sorry, I'm still having problems with the abbreviations used, what does "GC" stand for?

I agree, the main focus in all of this is the relationship to my daughter. I'm gaga about the kids, but that's just that granny enthusiasm, I have been waiting for so long to re-establish the relationship to my daughter and I feel that a precious and completely unexpected gift dropped in my lap by getting back in touch. But she clearly pushes the grandchildren between us. I think, there's something going on, that she tests me, to see how reliable I can be, in a manner that she thinks she can control or manage possible missteps of me without it causing intense damage. I think that's not intentional on her end, I think it's subconscious. It's difficult.
I wish I could just ask her. But that's part of that minefield situation that I'm so scared off.

But again. You're right. The emphasis is on the relationship between her and me, both by my wishes and simply by common sense. I need to try and shift the contact a bit towards that direction.

It might also be that she thinks that I only care about her because of the grandchildren (oh.. that's GC, right?). I told her different a few times, but I think telling is not enough after all the mess that went down between the two of us. It's just difficult to show with the limitations that we're facing.

prk26 Wed 11-Feb-26 17:03:15

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prk26 Wed 11-Feb-26 17:03:15

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prk26 Wed 11-Feb-26 17:18:30

Esmay

I think that keepingquiet has made some excellent observations - I certainly can't improve on them .
Do ignore the nasty posters ,who are always against someone who has been estranged .

I just to express my sympathy and I hope that your relationship with your daughter will continue to improve.

Take care .

Thank you. I'm glad that I found here a place to post the one or other thing as they're progressing - it helps me to process what is going on and to not misstep too severely and risk losing what I just gained in getting contact to my daughter back.

petra Wed 11-Feb-26 17:26:04

Something went wrong there. I’m not going to say what it was because last time I called a poster out I was suspended for a week.

prk26 Wed 11-Feb-26 17:39:24

I apologize for posting the same message over and over again, I clearly didn't mean to do that and am not sure how I did it. Could a kind moderator pls delete all but one of the multiple postings?

Hithere Wed 11-Feb-26 19:09:43

Congrats on your reconciliation op

I am one of those nasty posters you have been warned about, estranged from my parents, so these are my observations for a successful continuation in your situation

I am very sorry for your loss. Cancer sucks and is so painful for everybody

I agree the key here is between your daughter and you, not your gd.

Your daughter and you dont have like the same things, find others that you have in common.
Approach it as you would with a new friend and build from there, how about books? Hiking? Bird watching? British bake off?

I know this is hard - drop ANY agenda or expectation of what you want or what you think you know of her.

15 years is a long time and you both have changed, you need to get to know each other as adults

Needless to say, IF there is a boundary she has given you, follow it.

A new relationship will evolve, at a lower speed that you may want, not what you envisioned, but you will have your daughter and grandchildren in your life

I wish you the best of luck.

Smileless2012 Wed 11-Feb-26 19:22:23

If you click on 'Report' on each of the repeated posts you can ask GNHQ to delete them prk.

keepingquiet Wed 11-Feb-26 20:23:59

It shouldn't really matter that you have different tastes- it would be strange if this were otherwise.

What matters is that you can show you are not so stubborn as to only want to see what you like. Try something new?

I think neutral ground is important here- you should really try to eliminate the battlegrounds as much as possible.

You state that you are both stubborn with different opinions on lots of topics and thereby I see where the problem lies.

Maybe this is why she has brought the children along as a safety net- because she is trying to find some common ground too?

I have had to eat an awful lot of humble pie with my children, but it was worth it and I now enjoy good relationships with them and my GC.

Go see something you hate. It won't kill you and you may even find something to like. We bear all sorts of inconveniences if we are with the right people, but it has to be your decision if this is what you really want to achieve.

LOUISA1523 Wed 11-Feb-26 21:54:37

It's very early days and sounds like, all things considered, it's going OK with your DD .....10 year old are fickle...what they like one week...they don't the next! One of my GCs is 10....I'm very close to her .....she sleeps over at least twice a week and has done from birth...and I still can't keep up with her sometimes about what she likes! ...all my GC love Dobble ...maybe pick a set up from argos .....the 10 year old likes making bead bracelets ( think Taylor swift bracelets....you can pick up beads and cord etc very cheap on the likes of temu...she likes going out for Matcha ...trying new coffee shops! .....she likes making up dance routines to music I've never heard off! ....she likes to get out all her mums collection of beanie babies ( that I kept from my DDs childhood) ....she like to give me a skin care session ( 10 year old are really into skin care products these days ....they spend lots of time in the likes of Sephora!) ....anyway, I'm sure you will find some common ground and start building bonds with your GC ...it will take time....but thats ok...good luck 🍀

prk26 Fri 13-Feb-26 08:40:19

Hello Smileless, thank you for the welcome and thank you for the condolences. It is now almost 3 months that he died, and it still hurts every day. He loved Star Trek, whenever I see something about the series, I remember him. Or sometimes I think 'I need to tell him...' and then the realization of his death hits again.

My daughter is an extrovert, I'm an introvert. She's the shining star of a party where I'm not even present. I prefer a few relationships that are intense and intimate (emotionally, not sexually), where she enjoys a whole bunch of acquaintances, relationships I would consider a waste of time.

I do admit, if she wasn't my daughter she wouldn't be a person I would want to be around. And I am fairly sure she feels similarly about me. That makes it awfully difficult.

Besides politics (left leaning) and religion (the best is to have none) we are not in agreement about anything. And I'm really struggling trying to find a way together, it does not come naturally to me - and it's the same for her.

This thin little sprout of a relationship stands on so shaky feet, that I'm scared even the smallest challenge will uproot it.

My son's sickness gave us things to talk about, something over which we could come together, now it's difficult. I sometimes struggle to come up with something to say, I even have started to read up on horses, so that I have something. There's also the fibromyalgia we both suffer from, but then who wants all the time to talk about how much they're hurting. You know, it's tough if the main 'cause' of the relationship is the the mutual realization that we should have a relationship.

And yes, there's also a whole bunch of joy. When I learned the name of the twins.... my son had told me that he was forbidden to tell me (which was one of the lies) so I hadn't known it until I met them. It's incredible. It added a new dimension to my life.

I was very happy living in the United States, I admit coming back here to this little town with its rain all the time was tough. But then here I'm safe, which is making me feel great again. And now suddenly after a whole adult life without family suddenly having a family again... it's pretty awesome.

prk26 Fri 13-Feb-26 08:48:48

Stillawipp, I struggle responding to your message. I try to describe the situation as explanation without going into too much detail.

Going to visit her at her house is the obvious solution to the kid's boredom. Sadly.. there are reasons.
There is a lot of generational trauma in my family (it started several generations before my daughter and me). She lives in the house that I grew up in and horrible things were done to me.

I tried to go in, but I can't. Not yet, may be never. I get pretty severe psycho-somatic physical symptoms.

stillawipp Fri 13-Feb-26 12:34:48

Oh, I’m so sorry to hear that - clearly not an option for you then 💐

Smileless2012 Sat 14-Feb-26 09:09:55

As I said in my previous post prk, 15 years of estrangement is such a long time.

We've been estranged for 13 years and although prior to that we were particularly close to our son, I don't honestly think I would know where to start if we were ever to meet again and to see our GC who like you, have never known.

Hold on to that whole bunch of joy that seeing and getting to know your GC brings because the love that you and your D have for those children, is something that you share.

It's a good idea to familiarise yourself with things that you know interest your D but I think you should try to just 'be in the moment' when you're together and not to over think.

Silences aren't always comfortable but they can be less threatening when you can accept that for now, you're both getting used to seeing one another again. Your D may well feel as you do about the vulnerability of this relationship but over time hopefully this will begin to fade and you will both simply be able to be yourselves without fear flowers.