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Support and friendship for those whose lives have been affected by estrangement.

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Smileless2012 Thu 07-May-26 08:38:58

For those of us who've been living with estrangement for sometime and in many cases for years, we know how important this thread is.

The friendships we have made are our constant companions as we continue our journeys through our lives without the ones we have lost due to estrangement.

We have learned from one another that our estrangements don't define us and our desire to keep this thread going is as much for those who may not have posted before and maybe at the beginning of their estrangement, as it is for those of us who've been posting for sometime.

Our dear friend Babs posted the following several months ago and because it encapsulates so perfectly what we strive to achieve, I wrote it down for the OP of the next thread.

"We give advice in a calm and collected manner because we are removed from this storm, but when you are in it you cling to anything you think will get through to your child".

Thank you Babs for your wise and insightful words.

Yoginimeisje Fri 24-Jul-26 09:10:36

Good to hear your doggie is recovering at home with you Stillawipp may he have many more happy & healthy years with you.

Allsorts I think they do [want everyone on statins]. I told my friend all about it yesterday and she said her doctor told her she must go on them for life otherwise she will have a heart attack and die! My friend has no idea what her readings are, she is slim, fit & healthy, swims a few times per week.

Whiff Fri 24-Jul-26 07:10:26

Sorry stillawipp forgot to say glad your dog is on the mend.

I am on satitns but for me its worked out well. After my week in hospital Janiuary 2025 put on statin to stop further furring in my right artery. Last year my cholesterol was 4.4 this 3.5. They usually say 5 or below is good. But cholesterol is made of good and bad cholesterol. Not sure what the numbers are for that. I have had low sodium levels for well over 10 years but they where stable and had to be on restricted fluids so I don't lose more. My blood test early in the year my sodium levels where in the normal range for the first time. My lasted test for my liver and renal again my sodium levels where in the normal range . So the statin must have done something and helped my sodium levels which I am happy about. I still stick to my 8-10 drinks a day as its what I am used to . Got a review with my GP in September over my lasted diagnosis so will ask about how the statin helped my sodium levels . 4 things I have been diagnosed with but on medication for all of them.

The great thing about moving here is I have GPs that care am healthier and getting treatment I was denied for decades living in the black country.

Allsorts Thu 23-Jul-26 23:03:48

Yoga, I do wonder if some doctors want everyone on Statins.

Allsorts Thu 23-Jul-26 23:00:51

Stillawhip, glad your dog is now on the mend and pain free. I haven't had another pet since last experience as cannot face the inevitable although miss the company very much.

Whiff, you are so right, anyone new to estrangement can come on here and we all understand and don't judge, there is a good life after Estangement but it just takes time.

stillawipp Thu 23-Jul-26 21:37:43

Smileless2012

You're not diverting the thread stillawipp. We get to know one another because of estrangement and support one another when ever it's needed for what ever reason.

I'm so pleased she's OK smile.

🙏🏻🥰

Whiff Thu 23-Jul-26 18:05:07

I found this thread because of estrangement but stay because of friendship. Estrangement is awful but it doesn't have to rule our lives . We aren't just mom,wife's widows and grandparents, dads ,husbands, widower and grandparents.

Yes we talk about estrangement and newly estranged given help ,support our stories ,advice if they want it but a safe place to say what they need .

I love hearing about people's pets,holidays especially places I never nor will go to . See things others do and talk about what I do.

Estrangement at the start dominants our life's . But with help here it fades into the background. Its not easy especially if you never know the real reason why.

But we may be parents but first of all we are women and men . Wife and husband or partners. We bring our children up to be adults then we let them go to make their own lives. Even when we see they are making terrible choices we stay quiet. They have to learn the consequences of their own actions.

We have our own lives to live that doesn't depend on our children. We are adults making our memories and doing the things we want to do that doesn't include our children.
We are entitled to live our own lives the way we want.

On a better note have venue for making our CD on 12th September. No idea where it is but the taxi driver will take me . RSVP as soon as our choir director posted it. Still laugh me being in a choir and making a CD. Looking forward to meeting the other choirs.

Smileless2012 Thu 23-Jul-26 17:29:16

You're not diverting the thread stillawipp. We get to know one another because of estrangement and support one another when ever it's needed for what ever reason.

I'm so pleased she's OK smile.

stillawipp Thu 23-Jul-26 14:02:13

Thank you for your thoughts Allsorts, & I’m sorry that you lost a beloved pet. I don’t want to keep diverting the thread away from helping people with their estrangement, so I’ll just say that we are incredibly responsible dog owners and would never let an animal suffer in pain, and nor would our vet, in whom we have total trust. She is fine now and I’m sure will now recover fully.

Allsorts Thu 23-Jul-26 12:49:48

I think some vets give owners false hope, I would not let my beloved pet suffer pain like that Stillawhip, why is the vet sending her home and in pain. I know its awful saying good bye but if a dog is very old and relying on pain killers what does the future hold. I don’t want to upset or offend but my lovely cat had three weeks of being admitted, then re admitted to the vets, she got thinner and was in distress, eventually we had to let her go, I now regret we did not let her go sooner.

stillawipp Thu 23-Jul-26 12:49:31

Yes, much better today, thank you - hopefully on the up now 🤞🏼🤞🏼

Smileless2012 Thu 23-Jul-26 08:52:26

Oh stillawipp, how distressing for you flowers.

I hope she'll be more settled today. Please keep us posted when you can xx

stillawipp Thu 23-Jul-26 07:48:10

Thank you, we’re going to get her this morning as apparently she’s a bit brighter so we can trial her at home for the day. Fingers crossed!

Yoginimeisje Thu 23-Jul-26 07:43:48

So sorry Stillawipp I remember with my Lilly, actually cannot relive how awful the end was, she needed painkillers during the night, but my vets had just changed from 24/7 to closing at 11am. I called the emergency vet & they said I had to bring her in, which was in the next town up and in town centre I believe, I couldn't take her she was too ill. They also wanted cash up front [no issue there] I'd already just got the bill for her overnight stay the night before of £800. She passed the next day sad.

stillawipp Wed 22-Jul-26 18:31:44

She’s been admitted for overnight observation so that’s a relief and will hopefully get her sorted out

stillawipp Wed 22-Jul-26 18:03:08

Hi everyone - you’re all so kind, unfortunately she took a dip last night and was clearly in pain/discomfort as she was constantly crying out, so we ended up taking her to the emergency vet at 1am. She is a Labrador, robust and as tough as old boots usually, so it was heartbreaking to hear her so distressed. They gave her more painkillers & sent her home but we have had to take her back twice today, for the same thing. She’s there now with my husband (I had to go a funeral which we should have both been at). No results yet, & really no idea what’s going on….

Smileless2012 Wed 22-Jul-26 11:40:20

Morning everyone.

Hope your dog is OK stillawipp; have you had the results yet?

Ziggy spent his first night well until 4.00 am, in his bed in his crate next to my side of the bed Yogin. I really don't want him sleeping on the bed as I've never done that with our other dogs.

Unlike Poppy who was admittedly at least a month older when we got her, he doesn't go back down after doing a wee so I was up until 5.00 amshock. He went down again but only until 6.00 am (oh no) but Mr. S. got up about 10 minutes later and I went back to bed. Thank goodness we're both retired!!!

He's doing very well using the toilet training pads with just the occasional accident bless him so all in all, it's going pretty well.

We left the door onto the decking open earlier to see if he'd venture outside, Mr. S. having secured all the fencing so he can't get through, but he only managed 'half in/half out'. I'm not pushing it because I'd rather he did it in his own time but need him to become confident venturing out come the weekend, we'll take him just outside the door.

He's so tiny, even the decking must seem a huge open space for such a little boy.

They do seem to be 'over keen' when it comes to prescribing statins don't they hmm. I know of quite a few who stopped taking them because of side effects. Mr. S. tried two or three different ones/dosage before being OK with them.

How sad Whiff. His dog would have been a great comfort and companion for him as he recovered from surgery. He's probably feeling the loss more intensely because he's been unwell.

I've cancelled my cousin coming for the weekend. We were due to go for the day to Whitby for the day for 'Goth' weekend but it's about a two hour drive from here so we'd have to leave by 8.00 am and I'm just too tired to spend a day walking around and then the drive back. Plus providing meals while she's here for a couple of days.

Hope she understands but it is what it is.

Yoginimeisje Wed 22-Jul-26 09:35:08

Yes, best of luck for your little dog Stillawipp

How is yours doing Smiles?

I remember when I first got Lilly, first night in the kitchen in her nice cosy bed, got up about 3 times to her crying, same second night, third night in her bed next to mine, few days later in bed with me and never left grin. So, when I got Joey, straight on the bed with me, wouldn't have it any other way now, I'd feel lost if he wasn't there.

Yoginimeisje Wed 22-Jul-26 09:26:49

I went to the doctors yesterday, just about my toe problem, I asked the doctor [different one] to clarify my cholesterol readings, and she told me my readings are fine at 5 and always have been! I could see the chart she was looking at.

I checked after some on here said they had never heard of such a high reading and from asking around, same response, also going online to see that 5 is good, also that age makes no deference. In fact, people from about 20-45 have the highest reading because of their lifestyles at that age, whereas, as you get older the readings drop, same reason.

Good job I didn't take those statins; I didn't need them.
Should I report the doctor that told me my reading was 12 and should be 10 for my age group, also saying a big NO when I asked if I could lower my reading with food change.
How many other patients has he done this to, freighting!

They must be getting rewarded for each prescribed statin.

Allsorts Wed 22-Jul-26 07:25:13

Smiles, your little dog is gorgeous, love his colour, very tiny yet will keep poppy alert.
Hope all will be good for your dog Stillawhip.

Whiff Wed 22-Jul-26 06:29:18

sillawipp hope your dog is recovering well from the surgery. When do you get the results? She is your family and better than some human members . Fingers and toes crossed the results are ok.

I am on the BHF group for heart problems and a man only in his 50's is struggling to come to terms with recovering from surgery and his dog died . He can't understand why he is feeling depressed told him he has had to come to terms with his health but he is grieving for his dog who was family. He said he didn't realise he was grieving. Had few conversations with him last one said he is letting himself feel the grief and its helping him. I did point out I am not a pet owner but go by friends who's pets have died especially dogs. As they need to go out everyday. He is thinking about getting another dog once feeling better.

It thanks to all of you who have and had pets died I told him how you feel as not something I have experienced.

This group doesn't just help eachother but I have learnt things I have not experienced to try and help others. 🌼

stillawipp Sun 19-Jul-26 12:40:12

Thank you so much ❤️

Smileless2012 Sun 19-Jul-26 12:31:04

Bless her, it's upsetting isn't it because they don't understand what's happened and we can't explain.

Fingers crossed that the results are OK flowers

stillawipp Sun 19-Jul-26 12:23:29

Smileless2012

How worrying for you stillawippflowers. I hope the surgery goes well and please let us know how it goes. I never expected Poppy to grieve TBH, not to the extent she has.

Now she's spending all her time running away from little Ziggy which at least will take her mind off little Piphmm.

I'm hoping Mr. S. will be able to post a pic later.

All went well with the surgery..now just waiting for test results. I hate the post-op bit, when they are so unsettled but she has finally lain down and gone to sleep this morning. At 12 years old, I was just relieved that she came through the surgery ok 🥵

Yoginimeisje Sat 18-Jul-26 07:55:28

So sweet Smiles. Well done on uploading pic xx

Spring20 Fri 17-Jul-26 16:35:17

He’s lovely ❤️