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I think this country could be in danger of becoming under-nourished..... .....

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j08 Thu 07-Mar-13 13:22:49

if people take much notice of all these different reports that keep cropping up.

Now we are supposed to limit our daily intake of ham/bacon to 20 grams a day! Less than an ounce! And apparently sausages, pies, and suchlike are a big no-no.

And, of course, if we eat red meat we will die.

And watch your fats!

and the Today programme gets worse with their reporting of it hmm (approx 2hrs 15 mins in)

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 17:47:07

Exactly, jess. Living long enough to be killed by bacon is a privilege. Besides which, don't these reports always use uncertain language, such as "may" or "can", both of which suggest to a scientific mind that what is shown really isn't clear at all.

Bacon and sausages tend to be made of cheap meat. Poorer people tend to buy cheap meat. They also tend to buy other cheap food and generally not to have such a good diet as better off people. The same studies show this too. Maybe the "results" have more to do with poverty and multiple other 'causes' of poorer health.

I think there's usually a mention of less exercise too taken by bacon and sausage eaters.

In short, a clear link has not been proved.

Yet.

And may never be.

I shall carry on eating bacon and sausages and not worry about it.

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 17:42:13

I guess you need to say it again, dusty, with more force, or maybe adding "and that includes chicken". Reminds me of when I didn't drink wine. People would still fill my glass. That has improved so maybe people will eventually understand when you say you don't eat meat. Hope so smile

JessM Thu 07-Mar-13 17:33:21

oh right. Someone does a huge, expensive, long, scientific study and tells us that eating processed meats increases our risk of dying younger than we would otherwise have done. Is this not actually worth discussing? Sorry, no, straight to dismissing. What are you like?
Looks like pretty strong evidence to me. 3% of premature deaths caused by preserved meats. (NOT red meat). Conclusion - if you want to reduce this risk eat bacon as a treat, not as a routine. Use salami etc as a garnish not as a protein source. Don't have ham or corned beef sandwiches every day for your lunch.
Bags you know perfectly well that our bacon-eating ancestors were not very long lived in the main. However they had a few more things to contend with than bacon, which will have accounted for most of the premature deaths in those days: childbirth, tuberculosis, sepsis, wars etc.
Living long enough to be killed by bacon is a privilege when you think about it.

dustyangel Thu 07-Mar-13 17:30:25

Bags that's what I usually say, but I still frequently get offered chicken confused

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 17:02:07

How about "I don't eat meat"?

Butty Thu 07-Mar-13 16:55:49

How about demivore / demitarian hmm

I'm a bit of both - confusetarian perhaps wink

Basically no red meat............mostly

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 16:54:47

that's a question, btw

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 16:54:22

piscivore or piscetarian?

I prefer piscivore.

Hmmm. I suppose herbivore's the one for real vegetarians.

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 16:52:44

But.... oh, mever mind. anno knows what I mean wink

j08 Thu 07-Mar-13 16:52:10

like this

j08 Thu 07-Mar-13 16:50:51

the sign of pisces is a fish. so it must be right.

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 16:48:53

I eat meat but I'm not a carnivore.

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 16:47:58

And anyway, that wouldn't be accurate either. People who eat insects aren't called insectivores, but animals who only eat insects are.

No, piscetarians are omnivores who restrict the omni. We need to invent a word.

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 16:46:40

But they don't generally call themselves piscetarians. That's the point.

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 16:46:01

I suppose there isn't a word for a meat eater who restricts their meat intake to watermeat as opposed to landmeat. You can see I'm struggling here!

j08 Thu 07-Mar-13 16:45:49

They don't! They call themselves piscetarians. #notalotofpeopleknowthatannodoes

Bags Thu 07-Mar-13 16:44:36

Why do fish-but-not-meat eaters call themselves vegetarians? I've never understood that.

j08 Thu 07-Mar-13 16:33:39

Oh! I get it - pisces - fish. smile

annodomini Thu 07-Mar-13 16:31:17

This vegetarian is managing fine thanks, though I have to confess to being really a piscetarian.

j08 Thu 07-Mar-13 16:09:21

grin (don't ask!)

Orca Thu 07-Mar-13 15:57:46

What bits of you are low today JO8?

j08 Thu 07-Mar-13 15:52:31

Oh! I see!!! grin

Yes. You are quite right. smile #bitslowtoday

j08 Thu 07-Mar-13 15:51:49

Absent confused

How do vegetarians manage?

Yes, one of them seemed to think some red meat is beneficial.

Orca Thu 07-Mar-13 15:35:55

We might have needed all that fat to survive northern winters hundreds and thousands of eons ago.........before the advent of central heating.
Absent ????

absent Thu 07-Mar-13 15:12:24

j08 If we don't eat red meat, we'll die too. grin