jings Thank you for speedy reply and the very helpful info! I've got some crystallised ginger lurking in the cupboard and will pretend to be a modern day chef and chuck some of that in. Joe will wonder what's come over me, haven't made a 'proper pudding' for years. Problem is I would normally do ANYTHING rather than cook (yes, I mean ANYTHING... clean the toilet, iron 10 shirts...). Happily cooked for the family for years, but have now hung up my apron and Joe does most of it. But... your pud and loopy's are so speedy and so tempting I'll dig out the scales, dust off my wooden spoon and get cracking this weekend.