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Can't afford to eat healthy food...

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starbox Fri 11-May-18 10:48:37

I see the above claim frequently; people charged with giving kids too many burgers or gaining weight whine that they just can't AFFORD any better. Well, I'm on tightest budget in my life and have to say we're eating more healthily than ever! Big bag own brand porridge oats makes a cheap, healthy breakfast (with toast & marmelade). Meals feature lots of brown rolls, rice, salad (55p bag- Aldi), grated carrots, homemade potato salad... try mackerel, tinned salmon (1 tin serves 2) or tuna for protein. Munch on oaties (39p). Real coffee only £1.80 at Aldi so Bialetti always on. Avoid Coke for sparkling water (17p- 2 litres) with dash of lime. Our costs go up if we succumb to ready meals, pizza, lasagne, pies, chocolate . But the healthy stuff can be got cheaply enough. And I never do more than heat stuff up- I'm not talking major cookery needed!

Elegran Mon 14-May-18 21:37:29

Most TV cookery programmes make cooking seem like a competitive art form, involving hours spent doing fancy things with expensive ingredients and specialist utensils, instead of a daily chuck-it-in-heat-it-up-and-eat-it exercise. People who have never seen food prepared and cooked casually at home are put off by the apparent amount of expertise needed.

After the exciting contests the few programmes showing basic cookery with no elaborate concoctions to admire are boring in comparison.

M0nica Mon 14-May-18 21:07:47

This is the point. If you cannot cook, it is really easy and cheap to buy a basic cookery book. I have looked at cookery books in several local charity shops this week, when looking for something else and they all had cookery books and they were really very cheap.

Jalima1108 Mon 14-May-18 19:35:01

charity shops are awash with cookery books, most selling for a pound or two.
M0nica our local charity shop mentioned to me that they don't want any more cookery books as they can't even sell them for a couple of pence!

agnurse Mon 14-May-18 19:08:53

When I was in nursing school, a group of students did a presentation on childhood obesity and they did an experiment. They took I think $20 (about 12 GBP) Canadian to the grocery store and bought $10 worth of healthy food and $10 worth of junk food. They got more actual food with the healthy food, but more calories with the junk food.

Deedaa Mon 14-May-18 16:08:23

I think mine must have been the last generation to regularly be given a cooked breakfast. Since then breakfast seems to have degenerated from a bowl of cereal to a packet of crisps and a fizzy drink on the way to school. Not only have a lot ofpeople never learned to cook at home, but some are without cooking facilities in b&b s

Stansgran Mon 14-May-18 11:12:56

Don't you need a credit card for on line shopping and if you are in financial straits would you be given one? I think smart phones are a necessity nowadays if you are looking for work and wifi is expensive. It may be free in coffee shops and on buses but coffee is expensive and so are busfares.

MaudLillian Mon 14-May-18 09:49:32

I went vegan 5 years ago at the age of 58. I did it because I felt very bad about what happens to animals to turn them into food, and didn't want to participate in that. It is such a healthful lifestyle that I am amazed. People tell me all the time that 'they couldn't afford to be vegan' - which is nonsense. It is only expensive if you decide to go down the road of meat replacements and ready meals, none of which you need.

I think the problem is more that people do not know how to cook - or think they can't - or are too lazy to make the effort. Lentils, beans, cereals, grains and nuts , fresh vegetables and fruit make for a very wholesome diet, high in protein, fibre and vitamins, and low in saturated fat and refined sugars. I buy very few processed foods at all - it's a mistake to think it is cheap to buy biscuits, cakes, confectionery, ice cream and so on - these are foodstuffs that nobody needs, and also the kinds of things that set up cravings if you do eat some. If you have access to the internet there are loads of blogs and recipes for inexpensive meals, vegan or not, so - apart from people who are truly destitute and relying on food banks, I think the 'I can't afford to' mantra is often merely a whinge from people who 'can't be bothered'.

The NHS is overburdened with its caseload, and sadly many people receiving medications and procedures are there because of bad diet. So many ills could be avoided if people were more careful about their nutrition. The World Health Organisation declared, 2 or 3 years back, that all processed meats were carcinogenic and probably all red meat was too. There are several articles linking the consumption of dairy products to breast, ovarian and prostate cancer and that diets high in animal protein are implicated in colon cancer. Diabetes, heart diseases, stroke and osteoarthritis seem to be diseases of the Western style diet too.

What I am reading recently about the state of the oceans also leads me to believe that fish can't be any kind of 'healthy' food either, since we seem to use the sea as a dumping ground for toxic waste, plastic and all kinds of garbage - what the tiny sea creatures on the bottom ingest, gets into the bigger creatures who eat them and so on upwards. I've also read that vegetables and fruit in far greater quantities than most people choose to eat them, are very effective immune system boosters, protecting against a range of disorders.

Intermittent fasting is reckoned to be a good thing too - this is where you eat all you want in an 8 hour period and then nothing for 16 hours except liquids with no calories, such as water, black tea or coffee - so, for example, eat between 12 noon until 8 pm and then nothing more until 12 noon the next day. You will certainly save money if you eat less - no doubt about it. Many people in the world don't have the luxury of 3 meals a day, and many people in developed countries not only eat way too much, mostly of the wrong sort of food for optimum health, but also spend money on useless, trivial, inessential items. Anyone who has their own computer or smartphone really should not be saying they 'can't afford' to eat this way or that way - clearly they simply have a problem with managing their finances sensibly!

M0nica Mon 14-May-18 08:31:08

....and we collude with them by being kind and understanding and excusing them.

NfkDumpling Mon 14-May-18 06:41:14

Quite so MOnica!

OldMeg Mon 14-May-18 06:22:52

Spot on Monica !

M0nica Sun 13-May-18 22:23:28

People who really do not want to do something, whether it is cooking, or finding a way to use the local supermarket, put more effort into avoiding doing these things than the effort required to do the activity in the first place.

Elegran Sun 13-May-18 19:47:20

A few doors from me live two elderly sisters who find it increasingly difficult to carry shopping home on foot. I have no car either, so I shop online for the heavy bulky stuff. I have told offered to place an order for them, or add their things to my order, but they won't - partly they are fiercely independent, partly they like to see what they are buying, and partly they are petrified of all the horror stories they hear about the internet!

OldMeg Sun 13-May-18 19:40:58

Perhaps what is needed is providing families without transport with this sort of information, thereby enabling them.

OldMeg Sun 13-May-18 19:37:18

In that £40 there will be cleaning products (washing powder, etc) toilet rolls, breakfast cereals, tea, coffee and other items which don’t need special storage arrangements. So £40 is not a lot for a family per week if these essentials are added in. Certainly cheaper than your local corner shop.

Also re internet access..there are really cheap,deals out there if you receive:

Income support
Income based Jobseeker's allowance (JSA)
Guaranteed pensions credit
Income based Employment and Support Allowance
Universal Credit, with zero earnings

You may be able to sign up for this package, which costs £9.95 a month for a phone line and broadband from a well known provider.

There are no installation charges either, you just have to pay for delivery of the router.

Elegran Sun 13-May-18 19:28:48

Tesco's delivery charges assume an order of at least £40. If it is less than that they add another £4. So if you don't have somewhere to store £41 worth of food you could be paying between £2.50 and £6 for the delivery, plus another £4.

OldMeg Sun 13-May-18 19:20:18

Never thought that mostlyharmless.

SpanielNanny Sun 13-May-18 18:50:59

Maggiemaybe ‘child labour’ made me laugh out loud. Reminds my of taking me son, niece and nephew shopping, and giving them all a bag to carry. Nephew was only 4, so only had 2 loaves of bread in his bag. He dragged them behind him the whole way complaining they were “just too heavy”, neither was edible by the time we got home!

Maggiemaybe Sun 13-May-18 18:21:20

Back in the day our nearest big supermarkets used to put on free buses for shoppers. I used to catch the Asda one round the corner with my three children and do the weekly shop, giving them a bag each to carry when we got off afterwards (child labour!). I’ve just checked online and there’s nothing like this round here now.

mostlyharmless Sun 13-May-18 17:54:13

I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic there Old Meg. I genuinely did think that could be very useful for me. (Apologies if you thought I was being sarcastic.)
Then I thought lots of the people who can’t afford healthy food wouldn’t be able to use online shopping either.

mostlyharmless Sun 13-May-18 16:33:20

That’s interesting Old Meg I didn’t know that. What a good idea - £3.49 a month sounds excellent value to me. I occasionally do an online shop at Tesco.

But then I thought - lots of poorer people don’t have access to a computer or a smartphone. Or have the literacy or IT skills to access online shopping. Also £3.49 paid monthly subscription needs a bank account and forward planning.

Us gransnetters take some degree of computer literacy for granted, (we’ve all got smartphones or laptops etc.) but it’s not an option for the most deprived in society.

And goose I can remember shopping for a family when I didn’t have a car available, not easy!

OldMeg Sun 13-May-18 15:54:56

goose I’d normally say that’s a good point you’ve made but now Tesco will deliver for as little as £3.49 a month.
Instead of a delivery charge on every order, you only pay an upfront monthly subscription starting at £3.49 a month. This means you can choose the delivery slot that suits you, regardless of price.

goose1964 Sun 13-May-18 15:39:06

Unfortunately for the very poor they rarely have cars and buses can be expensive so are unable to travel to a supermarket. If I wanted to go to lidl or aldi it would cost me £6.50 luckily I live in a town with a Tesco and a Waitrose. Some large housing estates do not have this access and have shops which charge more for the basics.

Jalima1108 Sun 13-May-18 14:53:38

Perhaps their on their own and see no point in cooking.
That could be the case bikergran -add in the cost of the fuel when cooking for one and it could work out just as cheap to buy a ready meal.
Sometimes there is no joy in just cooking for yourself either.

Bridgeit Sun 13-May-18 14:20:59

Agree with everything you have said Starbox,
Once walked around a shop with a lady who was saying she couldn’t afford certain items (which would have fed a family with possibly some left for the following day) her purchases cost more, fed less, but needed no effort to prepare.

MamaCaz Sun 13-May-18 14:10:51

That's a very interesting observation, bikergran.