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varian Wed 31-Oct-18 11:39:59

Waitrose Food magazine editor and Masterchef critic William Sitwell RESIGNS over his remarks about making 'a series on killing vegans' and force-feeding them meat

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6337307/Waitrose-food-critic-William-Sitwell-resigns-comments-killing-vegans.html

Why do some meat-eaters seem to hate vegans?

Liz46 Wed 31-Oct-18 11:41:26

Because vegans go on and on about it and it becomes very boring.

Liz46 Wed 31-Oct-18 11:42:10

Ducking for cover!

varian Wed 31-Oct-18 11:45:29

None of the vegans I know (and I know quite a few) go on about it, but even if they did, or even if you thought it boring why would you suggest killing them as this so-called food writer did? I think he's shot himself in the foot.

merlotgran Wed 31-Oct-18 13:32:40

Pity the journalist involved doesn't have a sense of humour but I agree with her that we need more plant based food articles and TV series.

lemongrove Wed 31-Oct-18 13:38:33

Liz grin

Perhaps he was having a bad day ( it happens) but a silly thing for him to say and have to resign over.

crystaltipps Wed 31-Oct-18 15:36:21

I don’t think vegans go on and on about it apart from when called ( as they have been on here)- weird, mentally ill, criminals, having eating disorders, look unhealthy and unattractive. Talk about sweeping generalisations. I think some meat eaters find it challenging to really think about how their meat is produced- that it actually involves the death of a creature that wants to live , and industrialised farming means many have short and stressful lives. Anyone who says this is cruel and rejects this by choosing not to eat animal products are considered to be weird. Fortunately veganism is more acceptable these days, more vegan foods are available and these are becoming more mainstream. Views like the above arent worth responding to really.

M0nica Thu 01-Nov-18 08:04:54

I can never work out what all the fuss is about. Vegans do not animal products, others do. So what?

My eating pattern, from childhood has always included meals with meat, meals without meat, meals made entirely of vegetables. It is called having a mixed diet. If some choose to restrict their diet, that is fine

The one thing they should not do is try to clamber on some eating high ground, and assume that it makes them exceptionally virtuous. It doesn't.

MawBroon Thu 01-Nov-18 08:19:58

I don’t think there was anything particularly witty or clever about Sitwell’s crass comment and he should know better.
Imagine the outcry if instead of “vegans” he had said “horses”, “cats” or “dogs” ?

Iam64 Thu 01-Nov-18 08:34:13

What a dobbin, making a crass comment like that and expecting it to be received as "just banter". so much of "just banter" is offensive and whilst I'm sorry he lost his employment over it, I hope encourages him and others like him, to think on.

annodomini Thu 01-Nov-18 09:31:40

Not a vegan, not even a proper veggie because I eat fish, but I can't condone his crass remarks. One thing that concerns me about veganism is that so much of their food depends on crops that don't grow in this country. I can't imagine my life without eggs, cheese and butter.

DotMH1901 Thu 01-Nov-18 09:44:23

He was very silly to make such statements in his position but yes, there are also some Vegan/Vegetarian's that do go on about meat eaters too. Personally I don't care whether you eat meat or not, or whether you are Vegan or not, I can cook a meal that suits if you let me know! What does annoy me is the waste created by the Meat Industry. When I was a child we kept chickens for eggs and the table, also ducks, geese, rabbits and turkeys. I knew where my food was coming from as we had to feed and clean their accommodation out and generally look after them. We used every scrap of food they provided us with. Nothing went to waste, and bought meat included items like pigs feet, tripe, ox tongue, pigs head (to make into brawn) - all things younger meat eating people refuse to eat now unless some faddy food chef on the tv does a meal with them in.l We could reduce the number of animals killed for food if we went back to using everything possible.

Shortlegs Thu 01-Nov-18 09:45:01

I missed this story on the news. Is it too late to be offended?

gillybob Thu 01-Nov-18 09:47:51

I think it’s crazy that he has resigned / been forced to resign. This was a silly comment made in a private email, not an opinion he expressed in the magazine . Why is everyone so bloomin’ offended these days? confused

gillybob Thu 01-Nov-18 09:54:16

Apparently he has edited the magazine for 20 years ! Does that count for nothing?

Coconut Thu 01-Nov-18 09:58:28

I’m a veggie, not vegan and I never mention it unless I am invited to someone’s house for dinner. You can often see that “look” omg what can I feed her. Always amuses me that I am always given carrot cake for dessert ! My own Mum thinks there is something wrong with me even tho I haven’t eaten meat for 30 years. I think Vegans annoy others when they start lecturing and forcing their opinions on others, just like overly religious people quoting the bible at atheists ! Just live and let live, it takes all sorts and how boring would life be if we were all the same.

missdeke Thu 01-Nov-18 10:00:59

I have one vegan daughter and one vegetarian daughter, and I always enjoy any food that they may prepare for me. My only bugbear with vegan/vegetarian recipes is that they nearly all seem to insist on garlic and/or chilli for flavouring. Sometimes I just enjoy food without heat or flavours that stay with you for hours afterwards.

NemosMum Thu 01-Nov-18 10:13:50

Totally agree with gillybob. It was a PRIVATE email - and a joke!

crystaltipps Thu 01-Nov-18 10:19:35

Waitrose have launched a big new vegan range and wouldn’t want to offend potential customers. Calling people “hypocrites” for their food choices isn’t really banter and he should have given his comments more careful thought. But I agree it’s a storm in an organic herbal teacup.

edsnana Thu 01-Nov-18 10:24:30

I am a vegan, don't preach or go on about it, if I'm going out for a meal with non vegans I will always check with the restaurant beforehand that they can accommodate, and try to make as little fuss as possible. Now my friend who is gluten free though not diagnosed with any intolerance will always make a big song and dance about it, though if there's cake on offer which isn't gluten free she'll eat it anyway. . .

Grampie Thu 01-Nov-18 10:32:26

Holier than thou?

henetha Thu 01-Nov-18 10:34:14

What a fuss about nothing. He was joking, and maybe he shouldn't have said it, but to have to resign is pathetic.
We seem to have become a nation of people taking offence at every darned thing.

GabriellaG Thu 01-Nov-18 10:38:12

'Edited a magazine for 20 years, does that count for nothing?'
No, it doesn't.
If you drove a car for 20 years then one day knocked over and injured a pedestrian, should you not be punished? You could say that about almost every scenario.
He was not a friend or aquaintance of Selena M, the journalist, and 'banter' of that nature was and is out of order. How about if it was religion being talked about...eh?
Food for thought.
I rang Waitrose when it appeared in the news and expressed my disappointment with the comments. The advisor agreed that the comments were 'unfortunate' and 'unprofessional' and reiterated that they were not, in any way, a reflection of Waitrose company policy nor their views.

Grannyris Thu 01-Nov-18 10:44:04

My thoughts exactly henetha.

gillybob Thu 01-Nov-18 10:45:32

His silly comment was made in a PRIVATE email Gabriella it was NOT published in the darn magazine. he had edited the magazine with great success for over 20 years and because he made one silly comment in a PRIVATE email he has been forced to resign??? confused

Using the stupid analogy of knocking someone down driving a car just goes to show how ridiculous this is . I can't believe you/anyone would really ring Waitrose to complain. I hope your happy that he has lost his job because of one silly (private) comment and I hope no-one ever gets hold of any of your private messages and makes them public.

Shaking head in disbelief !