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varian Wed 31-Oct-18 11:39:59

Waitrose Food magazine editor and Masterchef critic William Sitwell RESIGNS over his remarks about making 'a series on killing vegans' and force-feeding them meat

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6337307/Waitrose-food-critic-William-Sitwell-resigns-comments-killing-vegans.html

Why do some meat-eaters seem to hate vegans?

GabriellaG Thu 01-Nov-18 18:33:50

*of not if blush

icanhandthemback Thu 01-Nov-18 19:56:14

Surely the point of this is that he was representing Waitrose even if it was in an email he didn't expect to have published? While it may have been 'just' a poor joke, if he had been writing to a friend in a private capacity, I think that would have been slightly different but in his corporate role, he should have been more careful.
Personally, I am an out and out carnivore who feeds their cats frozen chicks and the dog, whole chickens complete with feathers when they are available but I do think some of the things I have read posted about Vegans are outrageous. They are as entitled to their beliefs as I am mine. One of the best spreads I ever had was at a Vegan Wedding. I really liked it but wouldn't want to eat that way all the time.

merlotgran Thu 01-Nov-18 20:25:52

I wonder if there would have been such an outcry if he edited a magazine for Tesco?

crystaltipps Thu 01-Nov-18 21:08:55

Actually, Tesco have a good vegan range it’s called Wicked Kitchen ( I think)

Tamayra Thu 01-Nov-18 22:47:10

Why would anyone want to condone factory farming of animals with all that entails !
I scratch my head !

PECS Thu 01-Nov-18 23:10:23

www.express.co.uk/news/world/979782/vegans-animal-rights-activists-vegan-extremists-french-butchers

sorry if this has been posted already..it has been a hectic day!

MawBroon Thu 01-Nov-18 23:21:07

What are you on about Lilyflower?
This is nothing like the Hitler Jugend or “Tomorrow belongs to me” which is itself not a Nazi anthem but written by two gay Jewish musicians for the 1966 musical “Cabaret”.
What a ridiculous exaggeration !

Grammaretto Fri 02-Nov-18 00:45:19

Can I join in at this late stage! It sounds like this Sitwell character has a very odd sense of humour if he really thinks that a caĺl to kill vegans is funny.
Is he a relation of Edith? He's an old Etonian, so very posh. I don't think the lack of editorship of Waitrose food mag will bother him.
I'm not a vegan but haven't eaten meat for 30 years. Sometimes I'm offered bacon as though it's a treat I'm denying myself.

JujuD Fri 02-Nov-18 08:28:45

Gillybob, here, here! I truly wonder what has happened to society these days, no freedom of speech, no sense of humour and no tolerance! What exactly is political correctness anyway? Think like me or you're wrong!!!

gillybob Fri 02-Nov-18 08:53:17

He has lost his job of 20 years (a job he did very well apparently) so I guess it probably will bother him Grammaretto I don’t think the (silly) remark was meant to be taken any more literally than someone saying “I nearly died laughing” or “my mum will kill me for getting dirty” or even a “x” at the end of a sentence.

But what do I know? maybe he really did intend to kill all vegans one by one . At least when those murders start the police will know where to look. wink

Bellanonna Fri 02-Nov-18 09:12:03

? gillybob

GrannyGravy13 Fri 02-Nov-18 09:57:13

I have threatened to kill by beloved Husband on a daily basis since his retirement, and more so since our renovations have started. (I love him dearly, it is just getting used to him in"my space" which I have had to myself since my retirement)

The AC joke that if he should be so unfortunate to die in unforeseen circumstances I shall be hauled off by our local constabulary for questioning.

gillybob Fri 02-Nov-18 10:04:51

Exactly * GrannyGravy* and now you’ve made it public you had better wrap that man in cotton wool grin

felice Fri 02-Nov-18 11:19:40

After watching the last episode of Mediteranien with Simon Reeve last night, there will be no Aubergines or Courgettes from Spain served to vegan friends in my cooking.
I was horrified at the treatment and living conditions of the workers in Almeira, disgusting.
It seems there are no organisations to look after the workers rights, if these men were animals and forced to live in such conditions people would be up in arms.
Ok they do not need to be there, their choice to go to Spain but surely decent living and working conditions should be a right here in Europe.

humptydumpty Fri 02-Nov-18 11:40:54

I agree with your comments on working conditions felice but I think the point is that humans have a choice - animals have no choice.

gillybob Fri 02-Nov-18 12:10:17

If vegans start looking too closely into working conditions and food production techniques then there could be very little left for them to eat . Not being provocative just genuinely concerned .

chrissyh Fri 02-Nov-18 12:14:31

The only time I had a problem was when I was put too far on the glass (I am big boobed) and the plate came down and rested on my breastbone. I didn't say anything but I thought I was going to pass out. I had a bruise across the top of my chest. To make matters worse, I was recalled. I was dreading it, but dread breast cancer more, so went and it was the usual discomfort but certainly bearable and the result was fine as the previous image was unclear.

gillybob Fri 02-Nov-18 12:17:03

Wrong thread I think crissyh ( easy done when you’re following a few ) you could copy it over to the painful mammogram thread which I assume is where it was meant to be. smile

gillybob Fri 02-Nov-18 12:18:09

It’s the I was yelling in pain thread I think.

Cambia Fri 02-Nov-18 12:32:42

Janeainsworth. It was tongue in cheek not meant to be taken so seriously!

Grammaretto Fri 02-Nov-18 13:38:24

What Mr sitwell actually wrote in his not so private email to a vegan contributor to his food magazine sounds extraordinary. I don't find it funny. He was the editor so had to set a proper example and not air his biased views.

William Sitwell emailed about ‘hypocrisy’ and suggested force-feeding vegans meat

Selene Nelson, who is a vegan, had pitched Sitwell a “plant-based meal series” looking at meat-free dishes

In commentsfirst reported by BuzzFeed News, Sitwell replied: “Hi Selene. Thanks for this. How about a series on killing vegans, one by one. Ways to trap them? How to interrogate them properly? Expose their hypocrisy? Force-feed them meat? Make them eat steak and drink red wine?”

In a follow-up email, he added: “I like the idea of a column called The Honest Vegan; a millennial’s diary of earnest endeavour and bacon sandwiches ... ”

Sitwell, who has also been a judge on Masterchef, swiftly apologised when the comments were made public this week, but it was not enough to save his job.
He'll no doubt be taken up by a carnivore mag and together they will continue to poke fun at minorities.

PECS Fri 02-Nov-18 14:20:11

The man has been very foolish! I can’t work out if he knew the correspondent and felt they had the type of relationship that allowed him to make his very juvenile remarks! Whether it was a resignation matter I don’t know. An apology and a donation to a vegan charity may have sufficed.
Though as an ambassador for a well-known company he maybe had to fall on his sword.

Riverwalk Fri 02-Nov-18 14:20:55

Now my friend who is gluten free though not diagnosed with any intolerance will always make a big song and dance about it, though if there's cake on offer which isn't gluten free she'll eat it anyway. . .

Edsnana therein lies the problem and why many people are dismissive of so-called 'vegans'.

I know a number of long-time Vegetarians, including my sister, of some 30 years; and two life-long Vegans, both of Indian background.

Like everyone else, I suspect, also know gluten-intolerants who don't have coeliac disease, veggies, vegans, lactose-intolerant, who dip in and out and are mainly attention seekers.

Maybe Sitwell had them in mind!

janeainsworth Fri 02-Nov-18 14:36:39

Riverwalk That reminds me of a cartoon in the Oldie magazine a little while ago.
Two fat ladies having afternoon tea & cakes:
“I’m not really gluten-intolerant. I just like annoying people.”
grin

Riverwalk Fri 02-Nov-18 14:50:24

Indeed Jane.

Rather like Beyoncé who is a 'vegan' but wears fur. confused

I suspect that, other than religious adherents, there are very few genuine Vegans in the UK.