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Scone it’s official

(165 Posts)
Galen Tue 20-Nov-18 15:34:01

It’s official, I’ve just heard it on radio 4.
It’s scone, to rhyme with moan and
Its jam first!

gillybob Thu 22-Nov-18 07:50:20

Other way round I would say trendygran. Us common Northerners definitely say “scon” (to rhyme with gone)

Iam64 Thu 22-Nov-18 08:23:03

Not this side of the pennines gillybob, at least not in our poverty stricken, former mill town areas. It's scone to rhyme with moan.
Mind, we'd never be able to afford cream so it would be butter then jam.
It may be even worse in Yorkshire, where butter and jam would be LUXURY.

BlueBelle Thu 22-Nov-18 08:29:24

Surely a ‘o’ becomes long when it has an e on the end so It has to be Scone to sound like stone for me
I always was led to believe that it was a class thing and ‘posh’ people said scon
I don’t have cream but butter first then jam but if I was to have cream it would be jam then cream you wouldn’t put cream under fruit/jam on a cake etc

BlueBelle Thu 22-Nov-18 08:35:24

Mary Berry would pronounce it scon she’s posh

It wouldn’t have an e if it was scon the e changes the pronunciation to a long o scOne ‘ o’ sounds like Oh

gillybob Thu 22-Nov-18 09:04:43

Blimey I’m really confused then Iam confused

I thought the “scowne” was posh (and the short “scon” was as common as muck ) . grin

Greyduster Thu 22-Nov-18 09:08:28

Iam??!

grumppa Thu 22-Nov-18 09:35:49

If the o becomes long when there's an e at the end, then someone has "goan" away. The English side of my family have always said scon (lower middle class NE London/Essex); the Cambrian side just say welshcakes!

Bellanonna Thu 22-Nov-18 09:40:51

Just seen this thread. Everyone I know says scon, so I thought that was correct, despite my calling it scone. I must have got my version from my Irish mother where I assume scone, like stone, is the norm. As for what order you put things on your scon, I don’t really think about it, I just enjoy it, but I mainly eat the cheese version with butter.

Elegran Thu 22-Nov-18 10:49:51

So many people believe that an e at the end always makes it as long vowel, but it depends where the word came from originally. If, as the pundits say, scone comes from either Gaelic or Dutch, then Gaelic or Dutch rules apply.

Even for basic English words, there are exceptions to all rules. Think of "I before E, except after C, so long as you pronounce it ee."

Just imagine if your grandchild had a Gaelic name like Naoise or Siobhán. what would you shout across a crowded playground to them?

Margs Thu 22-Nov-18 11:50:21

OK - so is it Bath Oliver or Baaarth Oliver?

Witzend Thu 22-Nov-18 13:44:45

To me it rhymes with drone, but I don't care what anyone else calls them - they can call them scoons if they like. Heathen that I am, I don't really like them - except for really cheesy cheese scones with proper butter - I've never liked cream.

anniegold195 Thu 22-Nov-18 14:28:19

My sister in law lives nr Scoon CAstle in Perth. Its spelt "scone". I call a scone as the sound of drone.
Work that one out...

anniegold195 Thu 22-Nov-18 14:32:52

You are so right.

Daddima Thu 22-Nov-18 16:03:35

In ‘ rough’, gh = ‘f’.
In ‘ women’, o = ‘i’
In ‘station’, ti= ‘sh’

So, ‘ ghoti’ is ‘ fish’.

Gemmag Thu 22-Nov-18 16:56:55

Scon, but in Cornwall they pronounce it scone. A few years ago I went into a shop and asked the assistant for a scon. I was getting the money out of my purse when I heard the assistant say ‘one scone’ to which I replied one scon please without thinking. I then realised that I had entered into some kind of completion with her and so we went one scone, one scon. This went on for a while and she then asked the other members of staff who all had their own ways of pronouncing it. We never got round to discussing whether the cream comes before the jam or vice versa. Obviously no one had ever told her that the customer is always right?? ?
No pictures of scons but it was a very well known pasty shop and I did go in to buy a couple of pasty’s when I noticed the lovely scons. It still makes me laugh.

Gemmag Thu 22-Nov-18 17:17:50

Competition.

varian Thu 22-Nov-18 17:27:30

Scone, with a capital "S" is a place near Scone Palace with associations to the "Stone of Scone" upon which the Kings of Scotland were crowned, and is pronounced "scoon".

A scone, with a small "s" is a teatime item, and should be pronounced to rhyme with "gone"

Possibly there are areas of England where this is not well understood and the Hyacinth Buckets, aspiring to be posh, and unaware they are getting it wrong, say scone to rhyme with moan.

Sleepygran Thu 22-Nov-18 19:54:07

I thought with grammar if you had another vowel in the next two letters then it was pronounced OW not oh making scone rhyme with bone, same principal.

Sleepygran Thu 22-Nov-18 19:58:58

I'm a common northerner and it was and is scone to rhyme with moan

MissAdventure Thu 22-Nov-18 20:02:40

I don't believe my family has ever tried to be posh.
Why would we?
Its just the same kind of thing as giraffe, and how people pronounce that.

gillybob Thu 22-Nov-18 22:48:47

Is there another way to pronounce “giraffe” (jiraff) missA ?
Very very confused

MissAdventure Thu 22-Nov-18 22:51:42

Yes, giraarffe. blush
Rhymes with 'avin a larf' down this way.

MissAdventure Thu 22-Nov-18 22:53:24

Then there is Prymark or Preemark?
Mygraine or meegraine?

gillybob Thu 22-Nov-18 22:59:33

Wel, there you have me MissA I have never heard of a jirarfe (having a larfe) grin

MissAdventure Thu 22-Nov-18 23:22:50

Really? Never?? smile
I'm amazed!
Now I'm questioning myself. Maybe I'm the only person who has ever said it that way?