Wow, guys! I am very impressed. I thought we might be struggling! Anya I would love to think it was a protected species of moth, but since it is a horrible tangle of creepers, I think I'm inclined to accept that it may be ivy, though where the end of it and therefore the foliage is I can't be sure. I'd like to get rid of it. I don't at the moment know if it originates in our garden or our n.d.n, or the house at the back of us which is rented but I think it's empty at the moment. The area we are clearing is such a mess that it is going to take us a while to find out what we are up against. Many thanks for your input - you have saved me a lot of time poring over internet sites! If it does turn out to be one of Anya's moths I think jail could be the safest place to be, because it could be a b****y big 'un!! 