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Pruning roses advice please

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Grammaretto Sun 23-Jul-23 17:31:04

I have a huge bush rose, rose de rescht, . It has finished flowering this year, more or less and has grown very tall. It's over my head. I started to cut it back today but have made a mess of it so it is lower but lacks shape and is full of dead sticks - the remains of last year's pruning.
Will all this hacking harm the bush?
What should I have done?

Grammaretto Sun 23-Jul-23 17:34:43

Here it is now

MaizieD Sun 23-Jul-23 17:45:07

I don't think the hacking will have harmed it at all. Roses are usually very tough and strong growers.

I'd cut out the dead stuff now, but leave the rest until spring and prune it to the shape you want then. Cut out any weak looking growth and don't forget to prune to an outward facing bud.

From the picture of it in bloom it looks gorgeous. grin

Grammaretto Sun 23-Jul-23 17:52:27

Thankyou Maizie you are very reassuring!
It's a lovely rose, sweet smelling and vigorous.

Esmay Sun 23-Jul-23 18:05:34

What a lovely garden and what a lovely rose .
Don't worry !

This is a very old Damask rose , which was brought over from Iran post war .
As it has a Persian name - it has probably existed for centuries .

I tidy my roses after flowering and that's when I do lots of cuttings and then , hard prune in the Autumn .
Other gardeners hard prune in the Spring .

If unsure about pruning - have a Google !

foxie48 Sun 23-Jul-23 18:15:16

As a romantance rose this rose should bloom more than once in a season, so ideally just dead head. Once the summer is over, I'd chop it down a bit to prevent wind rock and then prune properly in the Spring. It's got an upright habit, so pruning to an outside bud is better but I always like to take some of the older wood right back to the ground to encourage new growth. As Maizie has said you won't harm it by giving it a vigorous haircut but I'd still take out some old wood in the spring. fwiw with roses that have a more sprawling habit it can be useful to prune some of the inner stems to an inside bud as it encourages more upright growth. I love roses, especially the old fashioned ones with a gorgeous scent.

Grammaretto Sun 23-Jul-23 18:17:37

Thanks Esmay. I hadn't realised it was Persian. I assumed it was Dutch.
I have taken cuttings in past years and they take very well.
I shall not worry any more

Esmay Sun 23-Jul-23 18:20:17

As it's sweet , perfumed and red -you could make some delicious rose jelly .

Esmay Sun 23-Jul-23 18:36:43

There is some confusion over the origin :

It may have existed in France in 1800 and in England in 1880 , but one thing is certain it was found growing near Rescht in Iran in 1945 and is known to Persians .
They might have used the petals for rosewater to flavour rice , a cooling summer drink or perfume .

It's on my list of must haves !

AskAlice Sun 23-Jul-23 18:52:07

In our previous home, when we moved in there were about 50 rose bushes front and back including climbers, shrub and standard. During our first winter, my OH decided he would "help" in the garden and in February took a hedge cutter to the lot, much to the dismay of my avid gardening Dad. Would you believe it, the following summer we had a marvellous display and the neighbours commented that they had never seen it looking better!!

I agree with MaizieD, roses are tough plants and will survive most things that you throw at them. I would also prune out any obviously dead branches now so that you can see what you have left, and then shape that in the late winter.

Grammaretto Sun 23-Jul-23 19:27:03

I bought it as a bare root along with a lot of others from a mail-order company in Somerset. It was Scotts of Merriot.
Do you remember it?
They must have been bought over by David Austin because they have no internet presence.
Their catalogue was full of delicious sounding roses
I must have bought at least a dozen.
My favourites being this one
Rose de Rescht
Gertrude Jekyll (obedient and pest free)
Eddie's Jewel
Cardinal Richelieu
Ormiston Roy
Celestial
Ballerina
Penny Lane (this cannot be an old rose!)
Tricolore de flandre
Since then I've bought Cecile Brunner and some moss roses
Nuits de young
Bath white (or is that a pig?)
And
Alnwick castle
Ena Harkness (for a great red)
Iceberg. (Flowers at Christmas)
Constance Spry
Rosa mundi
Rosa alba (the bees love these)
Parkdirektor (tallest rose ever)

Do you have favourites?