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Changing ways. Permaculture here I come

(68 Posts)
PoliticsNerd Sat 15-Feb-25 10:31:26

You all seem to be doing some great (and small) work. As flats so often do we use contractors rather than an gardeners. I wonder if any such buildings have found a way to have their grounds cared for in a greener way? It would be really interesting to hear if this is being done somewhere similar.

karmalady Sat 15-Feb-25 10:28:12

Thanks WW2.

I see that it needs shade/deep shade and damp. I don`t have the correct allotment conditions unfortunately. I`ll have to forage

karmalady Sat 15-Feb-25 10:23:19

This green manure/cover crop sheet has helped me choose

www.greenmanure.co.uk/pages/choosing-the-right-green-manure

Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Feb-25 10:21:22

Yes wild garlic is all over my garden. It will be appearing soon and disappears by mid summer. But self seeds abundantly. I use it when it is young.

karmalady Sat 15-Feb-25 10:15:53

If you are thinking about an allotment, get your name down, our waiting list has trebled during the past few months

karmalady Sat 15-Feb-25 10:11:14

pascal30

I used to make a comfrey leaf feed.. boy did it smell..

yes it certainly does stink. I cannot harvest my new comfrey this year but it will be growing strongly next year. I can make green liquid from foraged nettles

Has anyone grown wild garlic?

karmalady Sat 15-Feb-25 10:08:55

I have been thinking about my asparagus bed, which will be planted in april. I want underlying plants and nasturtiums will be good for ground cover and beneficial insects, maybe lambs lettuce and certainly other lettuces, maybe baby spinach

I get into a tizz thinking about what to plant and when as green manures/ground cover can also be brassica or legumes, only a few are universal. I am now thinking calliente mustard (brassica) so I need to bear that in mind, another ground cleanser but will die down and overwinter. I will be leaving roots on on most plantings, so the soil can develop its own fungal/bacterial structure. Low growing brassicas for this bed, below the mustard perhaps and tight cabbages are not affected by cabbage whites. I could also interplant cavalo nero

No point just sitting back now, I need to think about seed sowing. Another load of cash has been spent on a grow light system, which will have to be on my dining table. Strong plants are better able to cope when planted out

I changed my mind about potatoes and have ordered 30 litre planting buckets. They can remain in pots until needed, one pot at a time, much easier, thank you Huw Richards on youtube

pascal30 Sat 15-Feb-25 10:03:44

I used to make a comfrey leaf feed.. boy did it smell..

karmalady Sat 15-Feb-25 09:57:18

loopyloo

Sounds really good!
Have you sown broad beans?

Loopyloo, field beans are ordered and I will overwinter next year, their strong roots will break up the underlying clay soil and I can eat leaves and shoots all winter

karmalady Sat 15-Feb-25 09:55:57

midgey

Be very wary of comfrey! I remember my mother having to use the lawn mower to try and control the stuff!

midgey, comfrey bocking 14 is not fertile and does not spread. I very highly recommend that variety. I grew it from 2010 and it was always well behaved and remained in its boundaries. I have a small patch in my house garden but not enough to plunder roots. Ebay is a good source. It is the most wonderful source of goodness for soil, better than cow or horse manure

I understand what you are saying, other comfreys seed like crazy, especially wild comfrey

Churchview Sat 15-Feb-25 09:53:33

I've left a small area of my garden entirely wild. It's a patch under some trees that was always hard to keep 'neat' but, left to its own devices is now full of weeds ferns and native plants. It's so lovely I've put a little bench in there so I can sit in nature and watch the birds.

Another thing I did in autumn was to collect as many leaves as I could. I've stored them in bin bags (pierced with holes) and hope this autumn to have a lovely supply of leaf mold to spread over my borders.

Astitchintime Sat 15-Feb-25 09:42:08

loopyloo

Sounds really good!
Have you sown broad beans?

Thanks for reminding me loopyloo, I need to get my BB seeds planted.

midgey Sat 15-Feb-25 09:34:03

Be very wary of comfrey! I remember my mother having to use the lawn mower to try and control the stuff!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Feb-25 09:30:58

I try to emulate that philosophy in my own mini-way in the garden. Every spring and a bit in autumn, the empty ground gets a coat of garden compost. Over the years the ground has become rich and heaving with life.

So it has areas of relative wild where nettles, log piles and other stuff like comfrey is left to flourish. A small pond does its job as well.

I encourage as far as I possibly can, wildlife, particularly pollinators, but everything is most welcome.

It isn’t to everyone’s taste as it is not tidy but exuberant and full of life.

So well done you karmalady your piece of ground will love you for it.

loopyloo Sat 15-Feb-25 08:12:22

Sounds really good!
Have you sown broad beans?

PoliticsNerd Sat 15-Feb-25 08:11:34

I am now gardenless having move to a retirement flat, so it will be fascinating to vicariously join your journey. I can, sadly, offer nothing but fine words which, as we know, "butter no parsnips". I hope those of us who "borrow" your experience can at least keep your spirits up.

My first offering, as I learn more about "permaculture" is "celebrate the small wins" and by telling us about them let us celebrate your little piece of earth too wine

tanith Sat 15-Feb-25 08:03:35

Well you’ve exhausted me just reading about all your plans and work already carried out I wish I had your energy and will try to follow your progress.

karmalady Sat 15-Feb-25 07:46:38

My allotment is ready, beds are covered but I am changing my ways from the old neat methods. I have never routinely dug, so that is not new. I have decided to work very differently, trying not to have bare soil and veering more towards permaculture

Several different types of cover crop seeds are ordered, including those that are good in heavy clay. All beds, except the roots bed, have a cardboard layer covered with rotted manure and compost and soil and weed membrane on top, to stop goodness being washed away

I have ordered nettle seeds and want to put clumps around some edges. I ordered some comfrey bocking 14 and the roots were so enormous, I have cut them and planted into 24 pots at home

Plants, like squash, will be set into any spare corner in any bed

This is going to be a journey and an adventure