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How would you handle discord between daughter and dil

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annoyedmom1 Fri 08-Oct-21 01:19:02

My sister in law is a tantrum throwing adult who cries when she doesn’t get her way. She has engaged in negative behaviour towards me, for what my husband says is out of jealousy as she is unmarried.

After marriage counselling my husband now sees that boundaries must be set (instead of ignoring the problems she has caused)

My firm boundary is that she will never be present around my kids unless my husband and I are both present. I am willing to visit as a family once a month.

I have kept my in-laws at arms length because where they go, she goes. I am open to having them become more involved in our lives but I will not accept them bringing sil into my home or around my children.

Sil now has a baby and wants to spend time with us and our child and infant. But we are not comfortable allowing her in more than once a month. The harm she has caused my marriage in my eyes is irreparable. My husband is free to visit as much as he wants without us but he doesn’t want to see her by himself.

If you were the mother of my Dh and sil, how would you handle this boundary? My husband seems to think they will feel uncomfortable telling her no. Which I am ? okay with as that is their choice and we will still visit once per month.

We sit to have this conversation with my in-laws a few weeks from now.

welbeck Fri 08-Oct-21 01:24:58

it's hard to give an opinion without knowing more about the situation.
i can imagine she is a tiresome person who you would not choose to hang out with.
but what has she actually done to cause irreparable damage to your marriage.
why can't you let your husband take the children with him when he goes to see his parents.
what is it you fear she will do or say in relation to them.

annoyedmom1 Fri 08-Oct-21 01:29:37

I don’t want to be too specific but suffice to say, her actions towards me would be seen as bullying. Seeing her triggers within me extreme anxiety and I am uncomfortable with how she behaves and don’t want my children exposed to it. And besides that I will not have my kids around someone I associate with almost causing me to divorce my husband.

My in-laws are welcome to visit us in our home. But they must leave sil behind / not ask her to join. That boundary is firm.

annoyedmom1 Fri 08-Oct-21 01:33:31

To give an example: my mother in law expressed an interest to be closer to me. I told my husband I am still healing from their abuse but am open to take her out in the morning to show her the hobby I partake in so long as it is just me, my baby and my mil.

My husband said asking mil to come alone will make sil lash out as she wants to be included and would be upset if my mil and I became close.

So I said forget it. It’s not worth the mental health impacts of going down this rabbit hole. I am happy to stay away.

welbeck Fri 08-Oct-21 01:33:50

does she live with husband's parents ?

annoyedmom1 Fri 08-Oct-21 01:36:46

No she does not live with them. But pil live elsewhere and they frequently stay at sil house for weeks at a time. More so mil than fil.

crazyH Fri 08-Oct-21 01:36:53

Echoes of the situation between one of my married sons and his sister, my daughter. Long story which I’ve written about before. My eyelids are heavy, but I think in this situation you have to bite your teeth - grin and bear it as they say, for everyone’s sake. What about your mother-in-law. I’m sure she is feeling bad about the situation. All the best !

welbeck Fri 08-Oct-21 01:40:56

well then, i don't see why they would expect to bring her along too.
you are all separate households.

annoyedmom1 Fri 08-Oct-21 01:44:15

Sil doesn’t have many friends. She is enmeshed with her mom and dad. And now has an infant through ivf (single
Mom by choice). Where my in-laws go, sil goes.

Eviebeanz Fri 08-Oct-21 03:17:55

Has there been an explanation/discussion with sil around these issues? Is she aware of how you have been affected by all of this? I think it needs to be made clear to her that her behaviour has made you uncomfortable around her. It seems to me that your dh has not been supportive of you in your interactions with his sister and family.
Do you visit sil as a family once a month? Or do you visit pil and sil at the same time once a month?
From my point it feels that once a month is quite often to visit someone that you don't like.
I don't think you mention the ages of all concerned. Why is it that your dh feels uncomfortable visiting them alone? I wonder why sil would want to spend extra time with you when you don't get on.

DiscoDancer1975 Fri 08-Oct-21 07:46:08

This is so like my sister in law. Not any more, but years ago. She once said if her brother ( my husband), wasn’t her brother, she would fancy him?!

Lot of water under the bridge since then. No need to give details, but suffice to say, they were eventually out of our lives. There was nowhere else to go.

Your children come absolutely first. Your health...mental and physical....is also paramount, as undoubtedly, you are most likely the main carer? Everyone else has to form a line behind.

I wish you well.

Grandmagrim Fri 08-Oct-21 08:01:32

I think you and your family -husband, children and yourself- need to just get on with your lives, make your own plans and if you see family in the natural course of things then as a strong unit your sil’s behaviours will not damage you. You ask how your mil should handle your relationship with her daughter. Parents don’t have the control over grown children that they do over toddlers. If your SIL and mil have a close relationship then be glad for them. Let go of your anxiety and trust in your relationship. I’m sure this isn’t the answer you wanted but ultimately it’s better to shift your focus to the good things going on in life.

VioletSky Fri 08-Oct-21 08:22:22

I'd handle it by respecting your choice even if I didn't like it.

I'd probably try to get some help for my daughter too

Nell8 Fri 08-Oct-21 08:36:52

I'm sorry you find yourself in this claustrophobic situation with your in-laws. Well done for seeking marriage counselling. It seems to have been successful in helping your husband to understand your feelings.
Your sister-in-law sounds emotionally immature. Now that she is a single parent I imagine she will need even more support from her parents. It does sound as if she is "joined at the hip" with your parents-in-law and this is unlikely to change.
I understand you don't want them visiting your house as a threesome, but would you consider meeting occasionally on neutral territory, perhaps somewhere you could all have a picnic and take the children for a walk? I hope things improve for you soon.

eazybee Fri 08-Oct-21 08:59:25

If you were the mother of my Dh and sil, how would you handle this boundary?
The simple answer is: with great difficulty; it is the mother of the siblings who will be hurt the most because she loves both her children.
I sympathise with your situation. I am seeing it in the families of people close to me with trouble caused deliberately by a manipulative unmarried sister. In one case the brother and his wife refuse to allow his sister contact with their children, for very good reasons, but causes problems for their mother who does a great deal of childcare, and in the other family the sister insists on accompanying her parents on visits then creates mayhem in the house and in public whilst there. Both of the sisters live independently but have mental health issues and an absolute determination to have their own way. .

All you can do is be totally honest with your in-laws about your reasons for restricting access for your sister-in-law, but the person who will bear the brunt is going to be your mother-in-law, and family discord is inevitable.