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Bach flower "remedies" no longer licences.

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JessM Tue 04-Feb-14 08:50:58

The medicines licensing body have decided that these seductive little bottles are not a medicine. It appears they are a food - I wonder will they apply to be allowed to make "health claims" - the EU licensing body are pretty rigorous these days so I would predict they will be unbending.
But the alcohol content is so high that perhaps they should be sold in off licences. grin

http://www.nightingale-collaboration.org/news/157-bach-flower-remedies-foods-not-medicines.html

feetlebaum Tue 04-Feb-14 18:41:54

'Alternative' - a weasel term for 'untested and unlikely to work'!

Anniebach Tue 04-Feb-14 18:17:15

Bach is Welsh for little or small, a name my grandfather called me, he would keep doing so when I reached 5.7 .

The Bach in the remedies is pronounced batch , the Bach in Welsh is pronounced with a soft ch, so no connection

durhamjen Tue 04-Feb-14 18:14:32

When I had an alternative guest house in the 90s, we used to get people coming to stay who were practitioners of all sorts of alternative practices.
We had quite a few who used flower remedies - I noticed when I was cleaning their rooms.
What I always used to notice was how calm they always were. And they could always relate to my autistic grandson, and he to them.

petallus Tue 04-Feb-14 18:08:53

When my GS took his driving test a few years ago he asked me to get something he did not know the name of but that all his friends used when they took their test.

Turned out to be good old Bach Flower Remedies. I was surprised that young men had even heard about it.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 04-Feb-14 18:08:43

Lol at the cat weighed down by responsibilities. grin

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 04-Feb-14 18:07:08

Which one could I try for lack of motivation? (Probably better known as laziness)

Anniebach Tue 04-Feb-14 18:04:14

durhamjen, if someone has decided the remedies do not work one cannot convince them that they do. I became interested in the remedies in the seventies , my husband was away for a few weeks, our five year old started bed wetting, I took her to the GP just to have her checked , he prescribed an anti depressant for her! I took her to a Homeopath practioner - and a GP , he gave the remedies

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 04-Feb-14 18:00:42

Oh yes. Shame.

Ana Tue 04-Feb-14 17:59:11

Or it could be that as Annie is Welsh, the 'bach' is just a term of affection...grin

JessM Tue 04-Feb-14 17:58:47

Any pharmacists in the house?

I can understand how the placebo effect might work in some people - the power of suggestion "here's something for the pain" - Or the authority of the white coat.
But animals?
And as someone pointed out BFRs are recommended for emotional states (see link).
Do how do you know that the cat is feeling less despondent, weighed down by responsibility or filled with self-hatred after you've dosed it annie we would like to know what you are talking about when you say they work? Or are you just winding me up?

www.bachcentre.com/centre/remedies.htm
sorry i forgot to blue the original link:
www.nightingale-collaboration.org/news/157-bach-flower-remedies-foods-not-medicines.html

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 04-Feb-14 17:54:00

shock I didn't notice the name!!!!

Are you one of the family???

durhamjen Tue 04-Feb-14 17:52:15

I did wonder about the name, or is that just coincidence? Like I said, I know they work, too.
Do you think we've managed to shut Jingle up?

Anniebach Tue 04-Feb-14 17:42:09

Retired jingle, but never worked in medicine ,

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 04-Feb-14 17:34:33

What line of work are you in Anniebach?

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 04-Feb-14 17:33:42

mmmmmm........

Anniebach Tue 04-Feb-14 17:28:12

durhamjen, they realy do work, I have worked with them since the eighties, I now have mothers who were given the remedies when they were in school asking for them for their children

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 04-Feb-14 17:25:31

I'm saying nothing.

For once.

durhamjen Tue 04-Feb-14 17:15:29

As far as Bach remedies are concerned, it does not matter whether they work through the placebo effect or not so long as they work. I believe the tales of them working on dogs, cats and horses. I do not care if people think I am gullible. I know they work.
Whenever my son took exams he was always really uptight, which upset his digestive system. Bach flower remedies calmed him down. He did not care how or why they worked.

durhamjen Tue 04-Feb-14 17:07:37

The chair of the GPC prescribing committee does not agree with you JessM. Do you know how much there is in any tablet, because I cannot find out?
Yes, Bags, I did say soluble Aspirin, but that's the form they give you, even in hospital, just in case you have stomach problems when you take the other form.

thatbags Tue 04-Feb-14 16:56:58

Isn't it just the effervescent tablets that contain salt? I think the ones you just swallow have a good deal less.

JessM Tue 04-Feb-14 16:52:16

hmm yes you would have to chomp down a lot of aspiring to get enough sodium to put your BP up.
How do you know they work on children and animals annie ? Do they make goats feel more motivated and chickens more chilled out?

durhamjen Tue 04-Feb-14 16:51:48

I know exactly what I take it for, Galen. "As it's not much, you may as well carry on umtil you see the specialist, and ask him," said my GP.
However, it was the BMJ that did the study and the NHS website shows concerns. A lot of people who take Aspirin take multiple tablets.
If you have soluble paracetamol, and take the maximum daily number, you have your daily allowance of sodium in those tablets.
The NHS website suggests that doctors and pharmacists should look at the sodium content of the medication they give to people. There are usually non-sodium equivalents.

Galen Tue 04-Feb-14 16:38:21

The amount of Na in an aspirin is negligible, it's the anticoagulant effect that it's given for.

Anniebach Tue 04-Feb-14 16:37:04

Bach flowers remedies don't get away with anything jingle, if as you claim - a con, there are thousands of gullible people using the remedies , if not a con, thousands of people are helped by taking them . I don't accept the placebo effect, they work for very young children and animals

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 04-Feb-14 16:29:13

I don't know how Bach Flower "remedies" get away with it. Must be one of the biggest cons of modern times! hmm