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Terrafirma1 Wed 30-Jul-14 10:59:31

Should we be worried about Ebola? When I first heard about it , it seemed a long way away but now there is a case of someone who was able to travel across 3 countries by international airlines before dying in Nigeria.
As a disease it is 90% fatal and has a long incubation period - up to 21 days. With the increased ease of international and intercontinental travel - is there a real risk of it reaching Europe and the UK?

whitewave Mon 13-Oct-14 19:55:09

The BBC have interviewed a chap from one of the London Universities, a few time now. I think he is a Biologist. He is good, and explains things very simply.

janeainsworth Mon 13-Oct-14 20:37:21

So what did he say Whitewave?
That the virus is not airborne and can only be transmitted by contact with body fluids?

whitewave Mon 13-Oct-14 21:10:13

Yes, that as well as a lot else. Nice chappy I thought

whitewave Mon 13-Oct-14 21:17:49

Just to add he was very reassuring, and explained how simple an organism it is (a long thread that can be easily broken) and that it can be very easily destroyed by hot water and soap unlike other organisms. This is one of the reasons he argues that it will never get a foot hold in countries which have access to water, and a good sewerage system unlike those countries in West Africa. He is not arguing that we will never have incidents of the ebola bug, but that it will not find life very easy in countries that have a good level of developed infrastructure like access to water and sewerage.

janeainsworth Mon 13-Oct-14 21:52:22

Thanks Whitewave
Sounds like an outbreak of logic and reason!

Anya Tue 14-Oct-14 07:22:27

Don't they have water and a sewage system in Freetown?

Anya Tue 14-Oct-14 07:29:43

Looking at Freetown, it reminds me of several places I've visited in third world countries - a strange mixture of luxury hotels and shanty towns. I'd be interested to know if ebola has penetrated into the middle class areas or if it is mainly restricted to poorer areas. This might give us a clearer picture.

Anya Tue 14-Oct-14 07:58:40

David Beckham is getting involved. Good.

AlieOxon Tue 14-Oct-14 09:02:47

Found my daughter very worried and uptight on Sunday because her partner and son were scoffing about the danger of Ebola here.
She put the news on and went down to make tea, I stayed and we all listened.....and talked a bit....and by the time she came up again, her partner was beginning to think about it seriously...

I think it's just easier for some people to ignore things that would worry them if they had to think about it - seen the same with my sister (who is a scientist!) and climate change.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 14-Oct-14 09:31:24

In other words, you put the fear of God in the poor bloke. hmm grin

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 14-Oct-14 09:32:56

What is the partner actually going to be able to do about it? Answer: Nothing. Like the rest of us. So, stop worrying!

Stansgran Tue 14-Oct-14 09:44:09

I'm worrying about the people going out to help with hospital building and coming in contact with the disease unwittingly bringing it back. Once home they will disperse back to their families. I don't think it's a problem where good hygiene is the norm .

AlieOxon Tue 14-Oct-14 10:14:58

No, jing He wasn't dead scared, he just started thinking about it reasonably, which is what I wanted.
My daughter had been going up the wall at being scoffed at - and she then calmed down.

janeainsworth Tue 14-Oct-14 12:42:34

Let's bear in mind that the only person who has been treated for it in the UK got better, and no one else got infected.
Yes, it is a dreadful tragedy for West Africa, and we should be giving them all the help possible, whatever that might be, but the disease is not spread like flu, and with normal hygiene practices it won't be a problem in developed countries.

Anya Tue 14-Oct-14 13:04:03

Can anyone please explain why we're getting mixed messages?

We're being expected to believe told that ebola isn't easily spread, providing people take basic hygiene precautions, then there is the indisputable fact that health workers, who a fully aware of the dangers and kitted out in protective gear are catching this virus.

These two pieces of information are contradictory.

Tegan Tue 14-Oct-14 13:26:42

And they put down that nurses dog in case it could infect people. I find that worrying.

janeainsworth Tue 14-Oct-14 13:28:31

One of the things that happens in Ebola is that there is bleeding from eyes,ears etc.
Healthcare workers have to deal with that.
The virus is transmitted through body fluids, so that is why they are at risk and need the heavy protectioin.

AlieOxon Tue 14-Oct-14 14:39:40

Ebola can infect some mammals...I haven't found a clear statement of which can catch it and which can transmit it without getting the disease.

I think they were playing safe by putting down the dog.

HollyDaze Tue 14-Oct-14 17:00:23

Congratulations are in order for Nigeria for 'quashing' their outbreak of Ebola quite quickly and if Nigeria can do it, I don't understand why people are worried that the UK can't.

For those interested: www.ft.com/cms/s/2/4769ca32-52c4-11e4-a236-00144feab7de.html#axzz3G8SHH9XC

Stansgran Tue 14-Oct-14 17:50:16

I read elsewhere that because Nigeria has one of the last pockets of polio in the world and WHO are well represented there to deal with it they were able to turn their expertise towards that incident .

AlieOxon Tue 14-Oct-14 17:56:03

Seems both we and the US have to learn from this!

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 14-Oct-14 19:13:04

Yes. I heard that on Radio 4 Stansgran. Mixed blessing eh? sad

louisamay Tue 14-Oct-14 23:03:16

I have seen two 'experts' wheeled out on Sky who gave different opinions as to whether or not the disease is contagious during the incubation period. One said no, not until symptoms are exhibited, and the other said yes, right from the time the disease is contracted. Hmm....

AlieOxon Wed 15-Oct-14 10:29:30

It seems the world has actually woken up to this today?

70% deaths and another case in Texas......

Anya Wed 15-Oct-14 10:41:46

Apparently there are different strains of the Ebola virus and this is one of the most virulent.